Transcript 17

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xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 8 Feb @ 6:22am
And we have another transcript, yay. Forty more and we our thousand. I want this!

Just as a matter of interest, I found Damagrafik Script and As I Lay Dying on the same font website. And I ran the next chapter and got the whole % handwriting stitched together. Igt even shows the title as a single %. I tend not to trust secondary sources.
#961

Elthar Raxin has Doki Doki Literature Club 8 Feb @ 9:11pm
Originally posted by rockmedved:

Opening it up in a code editor reveals more base64 which is not immediately legible when converted […] it was determined that the string translates to the following after put through a vingere cipher with the key ‘libitinia’:
What is a man without knowing the rich aroma of the future; the hot, complex balance of the present; and the bittersweet aftertaste of the past?

Originally posted by ReiDasCapivarasI:
Just… wow. I’m going to take it one step further and say that text is talking about Yuri, Natsuki and Sayori.

The past refers to Sayori, who wishes to go back to when her and MC were children, before she had such strong feelings, because they made her bittersweet. The present refers to Natsuki, a complex child trying to find a balance between her true self and the tough facade she puts on. And finally, the future refers to Yuri, someone knowledgeable in aromatherapy, who wants to spend her future with MC.

Just my thoughts, sorry if I didn’t explain it very well :/
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xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 8 Feb @ 11:05pm
I think your interpretation is quite correct. Thank you for the insight.
#963

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 9 Feb @ 3:30am
Originally posted by Elthar Raxin:
The past refers to Sayori, who wishes to go back to when her and MC were children, before she had such strong feelings, because they made her bittersweet. The present refers to Natsuki, a complex child trying to find a balance between her true self and the tough facade she puts on. And finally, the future refers to Yuri, someone knowledgeable in aromatherapy, who wants to spend her future with MC.

Just my thoughts, sorry if I didn’t explain it very well :/

Trying to assign a time to each girl is quite tricky. I mean, any girl could represent any time. What criteria have you followed? What feels right or the references made in that assertion alluding the girls’ traits?

If you follow the “what feels right” path, then your reflexion is correct! It could be expanded and all but the point you tried to state is clear.

If you follow the “references” path, then the times should change. Yuri is still the future (clear reference to her aromatherapy during act1) Sayori turns out to be the present ( the struggle between her depression and her concern for the MC) and Natsuki now is the past (reference to her cupcakes which I doubt they have a bittersweet taste)

So, what does this mean? You can take it literally or “symbolically”

Natsuki, being the past, symbolically shows that even in a fake world they could live happily, with ups and dows, in complete ignorance. After all the events that happen in DDLC, they almost wish for that to happen, thus, the bittersweet feeling. Sweet because of the fake happiness their lives gave them and bitter because of having to live in a lie. If you want to follow the literal approach, then maybe the past refers to her dad beatings and the armor she has to wear to avoid getting hurt(bitter) but also the happiness of having the club to hang out and escape the bad times and to have people around that respect and like her(sweet)

Sayori, being the present, represents the realisation of the mournful truth. The discovery of such a revelation proves to be too much and tryong to keep on is literally now an internal fight. The balance between continuing the fight and trying to escape and just giving up is on a razor’s edge ( just look at Monika, right?). Literally, it just shows the big battle Sayori’s ever fighting in order to keep her depression inside of her while trying to make everyone , especially the MC, happy. Quite complex indeed. One misstep and she would have collapsed.

Yuri, being the past, displays the little hope they still have. Even after so many dissapointments, pain, suffering,lies etc they still want to continue and wish and hope for a future where they can be actually be free. In a more literal way, it just represents Yuri’s trying to overcome her fear of the future with the MC (no wonder why) and , probably, her hopes to quit her bad habits so they don’t escalate to anything worse ( you know what I mean)

Anyway, who would have said that such a little sentence could have so many meanings huh? ( like everything in this game) There are many more possible interpretations though! All of them correct and incorrect at the same time! Ahaha

In case you want to see a much shorter and generic response here you go:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1479857071251131988/?tscn=1518084711#c1479857071257403304

Man, I used to write so little… Ahaha
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S a Y U R I ??? has Doki Doki Literature Club 9 Feb @ 3:38am
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:
Originally posted by Elthar Raxin:
The past refers to Sayori, who wishes to go back to when her and MC were children, before she had such strong feelings, because they made her bittersweet. The present refers to Natsuki, a complex child trying to find a balance between her true self and the tough facade she puts on. And finally, the future refers to Yuri, someone knowledgeable in aromatherapy, who wants to spend her future with MC.

Just my thoughts, sorry if I didn’t explain it very well :/

Trying to assign a time to each girl is quite tricky. I mean, any girl could represent any time. What criteria have you followed? What feels right or the references made in that assertion alluding the girls’ traits?

If you follow the “what feels right” path, then your reflexion is correct! It could be expanded and all but the point you tried to state is clear.

If you follow the “references” path, then the times should change. Yuri is still the future (clear reference to her aromatherapy during act1) Sayori turns out to be the present ( the struggle between her depression and her concern for the MC) and Natsuki now is the past (reference to her cupcakes which I doubt they have a bittersweet taste)

So, what does this mean? You can take it literally or “symbolically”

Natsuki, being the past, symbolically shows that even in a fake world they could live happily, with ups and dows, in complete ignorance. After all the events that happen in DDLC, they almost wish for that to happen, thus, the bittersweet feeling. Sweet because of the fake happiness their lives gave them and bitter because of having to live in a lie. If you want to follow the literal approach, then maybe the past refers to her dad beatings and the armor she has to wear to avoid getting hurt(bitter) but also the happiness of having the club to hang out and escape the bad times and to have people around that respect and like her(sweet)

Sayori, being the present, represents the realisation of the mournful truth. The discovery of such a revelation proves to be too much and tryong to keep on is literally now an internal fight. The balance between continuing the fight and trying to escape and just giving up is on a razor’s edge ( just look at Monika, right?). Literally, it just shows the big battle Sayori’s ever fighting in order to keep her depression inside of her while trying to make everyone , especially the MC, happy. Quite complex indeed. One misstep and she would have collapsed.

Yuri, being the past, displays the little hope they still have. Even after so many dissapointments, pain, suffering,lies etc they still want to continue and wish and hope for a future where they can be actually be free. In a more literal way, it just represents Yuri’s trying to overcome her fear of the future with the MC (no wonder why) and , probably, her hopes to quit her bad habits so they don’t escalate to anything worse ( you know what I mean)

Anyway, who would have said that such a little sentence could have so many meanings huh? ( like everything in this game) There are many more possible interpretations though! All of them correct and incorrect at the same time! Ahaha

In case you want to see a much shorter and generic response here you go:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1479857071251131988/?tscn=1518084711#c1479857071257403304

Man, I used to write so little… Ahaha
So the future refres to Monika am I right? Since she always act calm like in the end of act 1 she tells the MC that Sayori is hanging in her room just like your teacher reminding you about your homework, 2nd act she didin’t shocked when she saw Yuri died and the MC stays there for 1 damn week.. She act calm in all that event shows that she’s foreshadowing what will happend, and she also knows that there will be no happiness in the club but she stays in the club just to be with the MC. Geez it’s been awhile I didn’t take a visit here.
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Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 9 Feb @ 3:50am
Originally posted by S a Y U R I ???:
So the future refres to Monika am I right? Since she always act calm like in the end of act 1 she tells the MC that Sayori is hanging in her room just like your teacher reminding you about your homework, 2nd act she didin’t shocked when she saw Yuri died and the MC stays there for 1 damn week.. She act calm in all that event shows that she’s foreshadowing what will happend, and she also knows that there will be no happiness in the club but she stays in the club just to be with the MC. Geez it’s been awhile I didn’t take a visit here.

Monika’s all of them at the same time since we’re pretty sure that the girls are somehow related to each other. Monika perfectly fits in the three times without any problems. She always seems unfazed since she has been through that many times and really doesn’t mind at all. For her, “time is not even moving” . She has literally lived in the past, the present and the future… Time for her is another illusion.

She’s just waiting… Remember, she has a plan under her sleeves in which we’re included!

And long time no see, welcome back! Ahaha
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orian34 has Doki Doki Literature Club 9 Feb @ 4:25am
“What is a man without knowing the rich aroma of the future; the hot, complex balance of the present; and the bittersweet aftertaste of the past?”

It could refer to the game itself, or experiences themselves, for what we know.
From the past unknown where it felt bittersweet as we didn’t really know what was at work, to the controversed and complex present where we can’t really determine it and is prone to a plethora of interpretations. Ending with the rich aroma of the future, that we can feel and perceive, yet to come as we slog through the present.
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Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 9 Feb @ 4:41am
Originally posted by orian34:
“What is a man without knowing the rich aroma of the future; the hot, complex balance of the present; and the bittersweet aftertaste of the past?”

It could refer to the game itself, or experiences themselves, for what we know.
From the past unknown where it felt bittersweet as we didn’t really know what was at work, to the controversed and complex present where we can’t really determine it and is prone to a plethora of interpretations. Ending with the rich aroma of the future, that we can feel and perceive, yet to come as we slog through the present.

Yup, that was my very first answer to this! But you’ve explained it much better than me! Ahaha
Anyway, I’m glad to find that someone else thinks like me!
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orian34 has Doki Doki Literature Club 9 Feb @ 5:30am
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:
Yup, that was my very first answer to this! But you’ve explained it much better than me! Ahaha
Anyway, I’m glad to find that someone else thinks like me!
Happy to know that made sense. As usually, people don’t understand my thoughts 😉
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Chaz has Doki Doki Literature Club 4 hours ago
Hey guys, been a lurker for a while, as I’m awful at all this codebreaking that has turned up, but I wasn’t sure if anyone had looked at the random text Natsuki says after Yuri apologises to her, in act 2. I don’t know if it’s random, and hopefully someone who knows what I mean (the part where Natsuki’s eyes black-out and her mouth goes realistic), but she says a variety of nonsense. I caught it watching a playthrough, and in this case it says

“mibulls sailcoth
blindsight ligeline anan
rectipetality faultlessly
offered scleromalacia neighed”

hoping anyone knows if this is random, predetermined, or already turned up before, 969 pages and it’s hard to keep track of every theory that’s popped up lol

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Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 1 hour ago
Originally posted by Chaz:
Hey guys, been a lurker for a while, as I’m awful at all this codebreaking that has turned up, but I wasn’t sure if anyone had looked at the random text Natsuki says after Yuri apologises to her, in act 2. I don’t know if it’s random, and hopefully someone who knows what I mean (the part where Natsuki’s eyes black-out and her mouth goes realistic), but she says a variety of nonsense. I caught it watching a playthrough, and in this case it says

“mibulls sailcoth
blindsight ligeline anan
rectipetality faultlessly
offered scleromalacia neighed”

hoping anyone knows if this is random, predetermined, or already turned up before, 969 pages and it’s hard to keep track of every theory that’s popped up lol

Hello there lurker! About Natsuki’s words, they’re always the same, not random at all. What it’s random it’s the event of that happening. I’m not quite sure of the chances though.

It has already turned up before… but where? I don’t know! Ahaha.

We’re sure that those words are somehow related to Yuri and probably to her last poem too ( the one I’ve been trying to solve so hard…)

Man, 969 comments already? This thread sure is huge… thanks everyone for making that possible!
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xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 9 minutes ago
Chaz, DG

That Natsuki glitch has a 25% chance of happening. I just saw it in Act 2, third poem game. Only N’s poem was the plea for help, for Yuri – DON’T TELL MONIKA! The word aren’t nonsense, they are in the same manner as Yuri’s damn enigma. And somebody researched some of those 315 words, all of which turned out to be legitimate but found in rare reference books.

I can’t find it now , some other topic, but a bloke translated those ten words into Esperanto, then back and got some indication of a medical condition re eyesight.
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Da ninja has Doki Doki Literature Club 11 Feb @ 9:02am
Sorry I haven’t been keeping up so sorry if someone did this one already, but on Youtube there was an interesting theory. It was on MC and how poeple forget about him. He is still technically his own character but he has less free will then the girls. He is basically a vessel for someone else to use. Monika even realzes this and basically makes hm comatose in act three and only keeps him around to talk to you. But the theory proposed that what if he was part of the Project Lib group? Either he was one of their test experiments given the ultimate punishment of not even being a basically living thing like the other girls. Or another theory was that he was the one running simulations and Doki Doki is a simulationtesting the thrid eye onthe girls (who may all have it with Monika being the most vulnerable to it).

I found this interesting as many people seem to forget the MC exists as a character.
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Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 11 Feb @ 9:30am
Originally posted by Da ninja:
Sorry I haven’t been keeping up so sorry if someone did this one already, but on Youtube there was an interesting theory. It was on MC and how poeple forget about him. He is still technically his own character but he has less free will then the girls. He is basically a vessel for someone else to use. Monika even realzes this and basically makes hm comatose in act three and only keeps him around to talk to you. But the theory proposed that what if he was part of the Project Lib group? Either he was one of their test experiments given the ultimate punishment of not even being a basically living thing like the other girls. Or another theory was that he was the one running simulations and Doki Doki is a simulationtesting the thrid eye onthe girls (who may all have it with Monika being the most vulnerable to it).

I found this interesting as many people seem to forget the MC exists as a character.

Hey, long time no see man!

We have already talked about the MC but only scattered thoughts that have usually pointed to the same conclusion: The MC is just a tool or an empty vessel.

This was my opinion back at comment #375

Also, like we have commented in previous theories, what if the MC is Monika too or at least, he’s influenced by her and the rules she makes?

He has no freedom at all. He says what he’s expected to say. He sees what he’s expected to see. During the weekend with Yuri, he does not say a single word nor tries to do absolutely anything. When Sayori dies, he makes a pun about the “world not being a game in which you can save and load whenever things go wrong” That reeks of Monika, don’t you think?
Also, in the Void, he just sits tight, not even able to speak. Probably Monika also considers the MC fake too so she doesn’t care if she “breaks” it a little as long as she can be with the real you.
You can only listen to her but yet she wants to speak with you about things.
She could try to let you write to her? Using the poem functionality for example? But the game’s too broken or is she’s not trying anymore? She could do backups and try new things but she doesn’t because she’s just fine with you listening to her. She doesn’t even care if you’re a boy or a girl, she just wants to “feel” you…

Basically, I believe that the MC is Monika’s puppet (since the very beginning) and she uses it to convey her messages to us.

The MC, ironically, is not a character. He doesn’t have any .chr file which is a clear indicative that he’s not as “deep” as the other girls.

But this is what we already knew, right?

So what that video proposes is what if the MC was from the PL group?

Well, the “ultimate punishment” would make sense since it has absolutely nothing. Not even free will. He must had been someone really naughty…Ahaha

And the MC being the one running simulations to test the effects of the Third Eye?
Mmmh, could be since he is completely undaunted after seeing the glitches and messed up stuff but these theories are seriously dubious! ( yet interesting…)

Anyway, thanks for coming back! Ahaha

Last edited by Dearlaice Gortaigh; 11 Feb @ 9:32am
#974

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 11 Feb @ 3:05pm
Ok everyone!

I really got up early this morning and felt like making a wall of text of some of the ideas that have been in my mind for a while now. I must warn you though, the theory that I’m about to explain is pretty far-fetched but it gives a nice new point of view to the game. Here we go!

So, the question is: Is Monika really in control? In the past we’ve already discussed about this and the answer seemed pretty obvious but there’s something that has always troubled me since the very beginning of the game. And what has been bugging me? The CGs, specially Sayori’s and Yuri’s deaths. I mean, yeah they were needed to represent what happened and all… but doesn’t that mean that their deaths were bound to happen? That the game knew , more than knew, planned their deaths and made us believe that it was actually Monika’s doing?

What I’m trying to say here is that the game’s the one that’s actually in control, controlling even
Monika. Why do I believe so?

Well, to start with, Monika always brags about how she’s “messing” with the other girls’ codes and modifying the game in order to achieve her objectives and stuff. But there is evidence that not a single line of the game changes, hence, Monika is actually doing nothing. She’s just taking credit of what the game does… Or isn’t she?

Does Monika actually do anything at all in the game? If you follow this approach then you’ll crearly see that no, she’s just one more puppet… A clever one though. A puppet that knows that she’s being toyed with and has always been toyed with since her creation.

Then, if Monika is also a puppet, why does she break the 4th wall? Why so many pleads for help inside the game? Why the “bugs” and “easter eggs”?

Easy. Like we’ve commented before in the past, this game is actually a social experiment. Both inside and outside of the game. Inside is to see the effects on a sentient “entity” of being capable of knowing what’s going on but being utterly impossible for it to change anything at all. That feeling of powerlessness must be terrible… And outside the objective was to see people’s reactions at “someone’s” suffering ( or aparent suffering) and its requests for help. How they would team up to solve the mysteries withing the game, try to come up with explanations of why X happens (just like us !) , make art to express their feelings… And, at the same time, draw as much attention as possible ( mission accomplished, right?)

Anyway, apart from the aforementioned CGs, there’s also the story. No matter how many times you play it, it’s always the same. The same lines, the same music, the same scenes and if Monika was actually in charge, I guess that after a couple of games her level of Python would’ve been good enough to change stuff directly rather than just going through everything again. I don’t think she’s naive enough to think that the next game could be different( although she expresses that in the file iiiiiiiiiiiiii.txt)

In the void, she always talks about the same topics! Even more, she always says exactly the same thing! Furthermore, you can even inspect her chatter! Very suspicious. And her asking you to delete her so you can continue playing and reach to an end? Even more suspicious. This reeks of the game’s controlling everything…

Also, Monika appears to have “memory” right? She tells us about the other worlds and stuff which means that she actually can remember what’s happened. Then again, if she can recall these things , she would have been perfectly able to change the game right from the start. Moreover, after the first game, she knows that we know that everything is fake so there is no point in maintaining the façade anymore. This could prove that the game is actually the driver of this train.

A good question that might come to your mind is: Has actually Monika said anything for herself? Or has the game always been speaking?

That’s a tricky question. I think that the files that are generated could be either from the game to fool us (very likely since the files are always the same) or it’s the “real” Monika (I don’t think so because of the previous reasons )

Maybe, the only true Monika is the text in Monika.chr (ironic, right?) In that text she clearly mentions the other worlds (games probably) and asks you for help. But why does she ask you for help BEFORE playing? Recall that someone else had previously played … That is TS of course! After all the testing and after being through her first game, she saw what was going on and probably decided to modify the content of the .chr files( since they’re useless to the game and it only checks if they are inside the folder or not) to ask for help since she knew that someone would actually notice. Furthermore, possibly the only “true” Monika is the one that posts stuff in Twitter! Afterall, it’s the only one that says new things rather than the same old words…

To sum up, everything that happens in the game is for something. It’s not random at all. Not at all, but it gives a feeling of “freedom” and “autonomy” that has really been able to fool us all…

I’m aware that this theory might have some holes in it ( probably even more than I can come up with…) and it might trigger some people too… But, hey, this is like the theory that the MC’s a sociopath. It gives a nice new perspective of what we considered for granted! Ahaha
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Da ninja has Doki Doki Literature Club 11 Feb @ 4:38pm
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:
Ok everyone!

I really got up early this morning and felt like making a wall of text of some of the ideas that have been in my mind for a while now. I must warn you though, the theory that I’m about to explain is pretty far-fetched but it gives a nice new point of view to the game. Here we go!

So, the question is: Is Monika really in control? In the past we’ve already discussed about this and the answer seemed pretty obvious but there’s something that has always troubled me since the very beginning of the game. And what has been bugging me? The CGs, specially Sayori’s and Yuri’s deaths. I mean, yeah they were needed to represent what happened and all… but doesn’t that mean that their deaths were bound to happen? That the game knew , more than knew, planned their deaths and made us believe that it was actually Monika’s doing?

What I’m trying to say here is that the game’s the one that’s actually in control, controlling even
Monika. Why do I believe so?

Well, to start with, Monika always brags about how she’s “messing” with the other girls’ codes and modifying the game in order to achieve her objectives and stuff. But there is evidence that not a single line of the game changes, hence, Monika is actually doing nothing. She’s just taking credit of what the game does… Or isn’t she?

Does Monika actually do anything at all in the game? If you follow this approach then you’ll crearly see that no, she’s just one more puppet… A clever one though. A puppet that knows that she’s being toyed with and has always been toyed with since her creation.

Then, if Monika is also a puppet, why does she break the 4th wall? Why so many pleads for help inside the game? Why the “bugs” and “easter eggs”?

Easy. Like we’ve commented before in the past, this game is actually a social experiment. Both inside and outside of the game. Inside is to see the effects on a sentient “entity” of being capable of knowing what’s going on but being utterly impossible for it to change anything at all. That feeling of powerlessness must be terrible… And outside the objective was to see people’s reactions at “someone’s” suffering ( or aparent suffering) and its requests for help. How they would team up to solve the mysteries withing the game, try to come up with explanations of why X happens (just like us !) , make art to express their feelings… And, at the same time, draw as much attention as possible ( mission accomplished, right?)

Anyway, apart from the aforementioned CGs, there’s also the story. No matter how many times you play it, it’s always the same. The same lines, the same music, the same scenes and if Monika was actually in charge, I guess that after a couple of games her level of Python would’ve been good enough to change stuff directly rather than just going through everything again. I don’t think she’s naive enough to think that the next game could be different( although she expresses that in the file iiiiiiiiiiiiii.txt)

In the void, she always talks about the same topics! Even more, she always says exactly the same thing! Furthermore, you can even inspect her chatter! Very suspicious. And her asking you to delete her so you can continue playing and reach to an end? Even more suspicious. This reeks of the game’s controlling everything…

Also, Monika appears to have “memory” right? She tells us about the other worlds and stuff which means that she actually can remember what’s happened. Then again, if she can recall these things , she would have been perfectly able to change the game right from the start. Moreover, after the first game, she knows that we know that everything is fake so there is no point in maintaining the façade anymore. This could prove that the game is actually the driver of this train.

A good question that might come to your mind is: Has actually Monika said anything for herself? Or has the game always been speaking?

That’s a tricky question. I think that the files that are generated could be either from the game to fool us (very likely since the files are always the same) or it’s the “real” Monika (I don’t think so because of the previous reasons )

Maybe, the only true Monika is the text in Monika.chr (ironic, right?) In that text she clearly mentions the other worlds (games probably) and asks you for help. But why does she ask you for help BEFORE playing? Recall that someone else had previously played … That is TS of course! After all the testing and after being through her first game, she saw what was going on and probably decided to modify the content of the .chr files( since they’re useless to the game and it only checks if they are inside the folder or not) to ask for help since she knew that someone would actually notice. Furthermore, possibly the only “true” Monika is the one that posts stuff in Twitter! Afterall, it’s the only one that says new things rather than the same old words…

To sum up, everything that happens in the game is for something. It’s not random at all. Not at all, but it gives a feeling of “freedom” and “autonomy” that has really been able to fool us all…

I’m aware that this theory might have some holes in it ( probably even more than I can come up with…) and it might trigger some people too… But, hey, this is like the theory that the MC’s a sociopath. It gives a nice new perspective of what we considered for granted! Ahaha

I always felt the game itself was the true atagonist. As it dclearly has hatred for Monika. Everytime you have a moement with her it gets interuppted. A big moment is when she takes you aside and it fades to black as she is still talking and calls out for you to wait. This was refernced on TV tropes to the CGs being in game including even the one being put in the game.

There is more to add on Monika’s role in the game. For instance a Monika chibi sticker is inthe game and you can sometimes see it in act two desperatly trying to jump up for attention but you mostly only see her cute pony tail. In act three you see it completely which implies she was supposed to be inthe game to start with.

My main question is how does Project Lib connect to the game and it get out to the Public. I mean Monika’s self awarness extends as far as Twitter and Steam itself. Project Lib is about human exprimentation so did they send out Doki Doki literature club out on purpose? Or is DDLC something more.

I mean the short answer is Dan made this just for story telling purposes and its all a story but it is unclear where the line between story and gameplay segregation start. I.E if the CGs are just things we weren’t supposed to question or if they hint at something like you imply.
#976

fib3604 has Doki Doki Literature Club 12 Feb @ 1:54am
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:
Ok everyone!

I really got up early this morning and felt like making a wall of text of some of the ideas that have been in my mind for a while now. I must warn you though, the theory that I’m about to explain is pretty far-fetched but it gives a nice new point of view to the game. Here we go!

So, the question is: Is Monika really in control? In the past we’ve already discussed about this and the answer seemed pretty obvious but there’s something that has always troubled me since the very beginning of the game. And what has been bugging me? The CGs, specially Sayori’s and Yuri’s deaths. I mean, yeah they were needed to represent what happened and all… but doesn’t that mean that their deaths were bound to happen? That the game knew , more than knew, planned their deaths and made us believe that it was actually Monika’s doing?

What I’m trying to say here is that the game’s the one that’s actually in control, controlling even
Monika. Why do I believe so?

Well, to start with, Monika always brags about how she’s “messing” with the other girls’ codes and modifying the game in order to achieve her objectives and stuff. But there is evidence that not a single line of the game changes, hence, Monika is actually doing nothing. She’s just taking credit of what the game does… Or isn’t she?

Does Monika actually do anything at all in the game? If you follow this approach then you’ll crearly see that no, she’s just one more puppet… A clever one though. A puppet that knows that she’s being toyed with and has always been toyed with since her creation.

Then, if Monika is also a puppet, why does she break the 4th wall? Why so many pleads for help inside the game? Why the “bugs” and “easter eggs”?

Easy. Like we’ve commented before in the past, this game is actually a social experiment. Both inside and outside of the game. Inside is to see the effects on a sentient “entity” of being capable of knowing what’s going on but being utterly impossible for it to change anything at all. That feeling of powerlessness must be terrible… And outside the objective was to see people’s reactions at “someone’s” suffering ( or aparent suffering) and its requests for help. How they would team up to solve the mysteries withing the game, try to come up with explanations of why X happens (just like us !) , make art to express their feelings… And, at the same time, draw as much attention as possible ( mission accomplished, right?)

Anyway, apart from the aforementioned CGs, there’s also the story. No matter how many times you play it, it’s always the same. The same lines, the same music, the same scenes and if Monika was actually in charge, I guess that after a couple of games her level of Python would’ve been good enough to change stuff directly rather than just going through everything again. I don’t think she’s naive enough to think that the next game could be different( although she expresses that in the file iiiiiiiiiiiiii.txt)

In the void, she always talks about the same topics! Even more, she always says exactly the same thing! Furthermore, you can even inspect her chatter! Very suspicious. And her asking you to delete her so you can continue playing and reach to an end? Even more suspicious. This reeks of the game’s controlling everything…

Also, Monika appears to have “memory” right? She tells us about the other worlds and stuff which means that she actually can remember what’s happened. Then again, if she can recall these things , she would have been perfectly able to change the game right from the start. Moreover, after the first game, she knows that we know that everything is fake so there is no point in maintaining the façade anymore. This could prove that the game is actually the driver of this train.

A good question that might come to your mind is: Has actually Monika said anything for herself? Or has the game always been speaking?

That’s a tricky question. I think that the files that are generated could be either from the game to fool us (very likely since the files are always the same) or it’s the “real” Monika (I don’t think so because of the previous reasons )

Maybe, the only true Monika is the text in Monika.chr (ironic, right?) In that text she clearly mentions the other worlds (games probably) and asks you for help. But why does she ask you for help BEFORE playing? Recall that someone else had previously played … That is TS of course! After all the testing and after being through her first game, she saw what was going on and probably decided to modify the content of the .chr files( since they’re useless to the game and it only checks if they are inside the folder or not) to ask for help since she knew that someone would actually notice. Furthermore, possibly the only “true” Monika is the one that posts stuff in Twitter! Afterall, it’s the only one that says new things rather than the same old words…

To sum up, everything that happens in the game is for something. It’s not random at all. Not at all, but it gives a feeling of “freedom” and “autonomy” that has really been able to fool us all…

I’m aware that this theory might have some holes in it ( probably even more than I can come up with…) and it might trigger some people too… But, hey, this is like the theory that the MC’s a sociopath. It gives a nice new perspective of what we considered for granted! Ahaha

http://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1699416432422414976/

I seem to have done a similar thing on this thread. For those just passing through and stumbling upon this comment, click on the above link for oversimplification of this topic. Most of it you will already know everything i’m talking about in it, but what the hell. This seems to be a bigger/more active thread than any other doki doki theory thread, so i thought i’d drop in my fair share of info, repetitive or not.
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#977

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 12 Feb @ 2:39am
Originally posted by Da ninja:
I always felt the game itself was the true atagonist. As it dclearly has hatred for Monika. Everytime you have a moement with her it gets interuppted. A big moment is when she takes you aside and it fades to black as she is still talking and calls out for you to wait. This was refernced on TV tropes to the CGs being in game including even the one being put in the game.

There is more to add on Monika’s role in the game. For instance a Monika chibi sticker is inthe game and you can sometimes see it in act two desperatly trying to jump up for attention but you mostly only see her cute pony tail. In act three you see it completely which implies she was supposed to be inthe game to start with.

Yes, you’re right. It feels like the game is somehow “punishing” her. Giving her chances to “communicate” with us and afterwards denying them like in the fading scene you’ve commented.
She was indeed meant to be in the game (the Chibi sticker, Monika’s CG …) but the reasons for her to be inside are unclear. Punishment? Torture? Experimentation? Who knows…

Originally posted by Da ninja:
My main question is how does Project Lib connect to the game and it get out to the Public. I mean Monika’s self awarness extends as far as Twitter and Steam itself. Project Lib is about human exprimentation so did they send out Doki Doki literature club out on purpose? Or is DDLC something more.

I mean the short answer is Dan made this just for story telling purposes and its all a story but it is unclear where the line between story and gameplay segregation start. I.E if the CGs are just things we weren’t supposed to question or if they hint at something like you imply.

PL is about human experimentation, there’s no doubt about that…And what are we? Ahaha
This game is meant to test both us after seeing the story (our reactions and stuff) and the consequences in the actors that took part in the play, that is to say, the girls, especially, Monika.

Never ever doubt that this game is out for a reason. It had an objective. Actually, more than one. The main, and probably, most important objective was to draw attention and ,for sure, it has been achieved. The other objectives are not so clear though…

LIke you’ve said, the line between story and gameplay is almost indistinguishable. What’s part of the game and what’s not? That, my friend, is something that we will never know since we’re also part of the game. Ahaha
#978

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 12 Feb @ 2:46am
Originally posted by fib3604:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1699416432422414976/

I seem to have done a similar thing on this thread. For those just passing through and stumbling upon this comment, click on the above link for oversimplification of this topic. Most of it you will already know everything i’m talking about in it, but what the hell. This seems to be a bigger/more active thread than any other doki doki theory thread, so i thought i’d drop in my fair share of info, repetitive or not.

Thanks for the link! We’ve commented that but it’s way too lost and hard to recover, so a place where it’s all actually together is really appreciated!

In case you want to see our old thoughts here you go:

steam://openurl/http://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1479857071251131988/?ctp=2#c1488866180617005710 —> Next Game

steam://openurl/http://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1479857071251131988/?ctp=4#c1488866813770479815 —> Third Eye

steam://openurl/http://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1479857071251131988/?ctp=8#c1499000547471769292 —> Monika’s Future Plan

Like I’ve said many times in the past, I don’t care if it’s repetitive or not. Any bit of information counts since your point of view in something that we’ve already talked about might be different from ours and even if it’s the same as ours, it’s refreshing to see people ideas!

Anyway, thanks for dropping by!

EDIT: I forgot to say that the pictures in Russian are NOT related to DDLC by any means. They were done by the same artist but that’s it. It’s from another VN called Tulpa. If you follow the comments in the link below an admin told us so in the comment #338.

steam://openurl/http://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1479857071251131988/?ctp=7#c1620599015863788523
Last edited by Dearlaice Gortaigh; 12 Feb @ 2:52am
#979

fib3604 has Doki Doki Literature Club 12 Feb @ 5:36am
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:
Originally posted by fib3604:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1699416432422414976/

I seem to have done a similar thing on this thread. For those just passing through and stumbling upon this comment, click on the above link for oversimplification of this topic. Most of it you will already know everything i’m talking about in it, but what the hell. This seems to be a bigger/more active thread than any other doki doki theory thread, so i thought i’d drop in my fair share of info, repetitive or not.

Thanks for the link! We’ve commented that but it’s way too lost and hard to recover, so a place where it’s all actually together is really appreciated!

In case you want to see our old thoughts here you go:

steam://openurl/http://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1479857071251131988/?ctp=2#c1488866180617005710 —> Next Game

steam://openurl/http://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1479857071251131988/?ctp=4#c1488866813770479815 —> Third Eye

steam://openurl/http://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1479857071251131988/?ctp=8#c1499000547471769292 —> Monika’s Future Plan

Like I’ve said many times in the past, I don’t care if it’s repetitive or not. Any bit of information counts since your point of view in something that we’ve already talked about might be different from ours and even if it’s the same as ours, it’s refreshing to see people ideas!

Anyway, thanks for dropping by!

EDIT: I forgot to say that the pictures in Russian are NOT related to DDLC by any means. They were done by the same artist but that’s it. It’s from another VN called Tulpa. If you follow the comments in the link below an admin told us so in the comment #338.

steam://openurl/http://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1479857071251131988/?ctp=7#c1620599015863788523

Thanks for the info on the pics, i’m new to doki doki, but when i find a topic i like, and lore to dive into, i search relentlessly

p.s. You probably already know this, but the devs tend to lie about this stuff a lot. If they openly deny anything it might just be a lie to keep people in the dark until release.
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#980

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 12 Feb @ 6:12am
Originally posted by fib3604:

Thanks for the info on the pics, i’m new to doki doki, but when i find a topic i like, and lore to dive into, i search relentlessly

p.s. You probably already know this, but the devs tend to lie about this stuff a lot. If they openly deny anything it might just be a lie to keep people in the dark until release.

It’s ok, I was really expecting those pics to be from the new game too until that admin told us otherwise. Oh well… Ahaha

And yes, we take with a grain of salt everything TS says since they need to deal with the huge fanbase they have now. In my opinion, they’ve done a pretty good job so far so any kind lies will be forgiven
#981

kwhero has Doki Doki Literature Club 12 Feb @ 7:54am
Personally, I take any word from Salvato himself as fact. I’d believe he’d twist the truth a bit, but not outright lie. But about the CGs, we got that information from Mithost, who isn’t a part of Team Salvato. Just a mod appointed by them who has no insider knowledge and makes an effort to alleviate any unwanted expectations off of Team Salvato just to repeat what Mithost said.
#982

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 12 Feb @ 9:11am
Originally posted by kwhero:
Personally, I take any word from Salvato himself as fact. I’d believe he’d twist the truth a bit, but not outright lie. But about the CGs, we got that information from Mithost, who isn’t a part of Team Salvato. Just a mod appointed by them who has no insider knowledge and makes an effort to alleviate any unwanted expectations off of Team Salvato just to repeat what Mithost said.

Ups, I forgot to tell that the admin wasn’t from TS, my bad :/

Like kwhero has said, the mod was a volunteer selected by TS but without no knowledge of their work whatsoever. I really want to trust DS too but sometimes I find it really hard to do so. I might be losing my faith? Ahaha

Anyway, if it’s an official announcement made by them, we immediately apply it. An example would be the girls’ ages or the game’s easter eggs
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#983

orian34 has Doki Doki Literature Club 12 Feb @ 9:30am
Well, I take everything they would say or do with a grain of salt, because I cannot blindly follow things when they are able to create a whole game-experiment that warps your perception of what is real.

I tread carefully.
#984

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 12 Feb @ 9:35am
Originally posted by orian34:
Well, I take everything they would say or do with a grain of salt, because I cannot blindly follow things when they are able to create a whole game-experiment that warps your perception of what is real.

I tread carefully.

I agree with you. Some announcements are pretty “common sense” but some are very questionable… And after all they’ve done it’d be unwise of us to believe absolutely everything

I also like to choose what to believe 😛
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#985

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 12 Feb @ 9:40am
Yep, I agree with kwhero; it seemed at the time DS asserting the girl’s ages was because so many naive people were leaping on the XXXXXX thing. I’ve noticed Mithost around elsewhere, always doing a splendid job.
#986

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 12 Feb @ 9:54am
BTW, two random things: 1. the ‘ika’ scene and 2. mc’s “I don’t often read script (my emphasis). The first is the only overt Japanese reference and the second? I have a hard time visualising hiragana or katakana that way.

DS said something about VN wannabe’s and their pseudoJapan as they knsw neither the culture nor language and their writing cheapens the VN idea.

I can see the 4th wall translation biz, and it was funny. But the script one?
#987

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 12 Feb @ 10:07am
Originally posted by xae-chan:
BTW, two random things: 1. the ‘ika’ scene and 2. mc’s “I don’t often read script (my emphasis). The first is the only overt Japanese reference and the second? I have a hard time visualising hiragana or katakana that way.

DS said something about VN wannabe’s and their pseudoJapan as they knsw neither the culture nor language and their writing cheapens the VN idea.

I can see the 4th wall translation biz, and it was funny. But the script one?

The easy and short answer would be that since the poems are actually scripts inside the game and since the MC is being controlled by Monika ( or it is Monika herself) it would be a joke to us. That is to say, one more joke and 4th wall break.
#988

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 12 Feb @ 10:19am
And the long answer? Bring on your wall of words! Heh.
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#989

kwhero has Doki Doki Literature Club 12 Feb @ 4:48pm
So I think I put together enough to assume that DDLC is set in a western country, or at least not in Japan. The whole “MC promised to join a club this year” thing kind of implies that it’s the beginning of a school year. And there being a festival for recruiting shows the same thing because you wouldn’t do that kind of thing late in a school year. So while I was thinking about whether I should do anything with Sayori’s calendar, I put together that November was crossed out. The kind of thing someone commiting suicide might do to convince themselves that there is no future. Since Japanese school semesters start in the Spring, the setting couldn’t be in Japan. Not that I have any real theories based on that, but it might help to make some connections later.
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xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 12 Feb @ 5:42pm
Heh, coincidence. Why I brought two minor troublesome points abovethat also lead me to “not in Japan”.

Google: “The Japanese school year begins in April. The first term runs to around July 20, when summer vacation begins. Kids return to school in early September for the second term, which lasts until about December 25.” Ok. I read someone claiming festivals would be in November.

Monika did say “grow the club before we graduate” so we have the usual ambigiuity, heh, the flavor test suggests Japan without making it so and everything is consistent.

I spent a lot of time just looking at that classroom and there is NO WAY it’s Japan. So I say you go with that,fit your narrative to a generic timeline and it should work for everyone.

Later:[web.japan.org … November, Early in the month School Festivals

(final term) begins in early January and continues to late March.

Woah! that’s a long year … and now we have our own pseudoJapan.

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#991

Da ninja has Doki Doki Literature Club 13 Feb @ 2:54am
Originally posted by xae-chan:
Heh, coincidence. Why I brought two minor troublesome points abovethat also lead me to “not in Japan”.

Google: “The Japanese school year begins in April. The first term runs to around July 20, when summer vacation begins. Kids return to school in early September for the second term, which lasts until about December 25.” Ok. I read someone claiming festivals would be in November.

Monika did say “grow the club before we graduate” so we have the usual ambigiuity, heh, the flavor test suggests Japan without making it so and everything is consistent.

I spent a lot of time just looking at that classroom and there is NO WAY it’s Japan. So I say you go with that,fit your narrative to a generic timeline and it should work for everyone.

Later:[web.japan.org … November, Early in the month School Festivals

(final term) begins in early January and continues to late March.

Woah! that’s a long year … and now we have our own pseudoJapan.

I think Dan talked about this. He crticzed people on maing VNs psuedo-Japans but not total Japn and not getting the culture. Monika said that too where she said that the location seems to be an after thought. The whole thing was meant to be anime like obviously so hence why its designed like a Japanese school cause weeb bait.

I may just want to add that obviously people with naturally pink and purple hair and eye color don’t exist in irl lel. Doki Doki to me is just in anime land until further notice.
#992

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 23 hours ago
Doki Doki is just in anime land.

… in other worlds. It works for me. If, after nearly a thousand comments, we haven’t reached a conclusion on a setting, we need our own canon.
#993

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 23 hours ago
kwhero, about Sayori’s calendar, the highlighted days and the crossed days are still a mystery. I guess that you’re completely free to use them in your mod as you want.

The game is clearly NOT taking place in Japan but:

It has a Japanese setting? Yes ( posters, calendars etc)
It has Japanese “traditions” like the festival thing? Yes ( in Katawa there’s also a festival and the setting is in Japan)
It has Japanese-like characters? Yes ( the style is overwhelmingly Japanese)
It has Japanese-like literary personalities? Yes ( Just take a look at the girls, right?)

And the list goes on… , not to mention that even Monika makes fun of the Japanese setting…

The point is that the game was inteded to have a Japanese “aura” in order to lure people and to mock (probably) cheesy Japanese dating sims.

This is one of the few things that we know for “sure” ! Ahaha

EDIT: If it took place in Japan, the details would had been more noticeable rather than just side comments and references like the translation joke or the “underage” drinking

EDIT 2: In Katawa Japanese references never stop and it really suits the game nicely since they make sense. In DDLC, I guess that the actual place doesn’t matter since a theatre is the same in Japan and in America, am I right? Ahaha Afterall, what matters are the actresses…
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#994

Da ninja has Doki Doki Literature Club 22 hours ago
Yeah even assuming that this may just even e one big experiment by Project Lib, I don’t think they really cared about the setting save for “make it generic weeb bait” but this just makes a new question on why Project Lib would use generic weeb bait and animu fortheir inhumn experimentation. Were the researchers giant Otakus who made it after watching too much Dragon Ball Z and harem animes?
#995

kwhero has Doki Doki Literature Club 22 hours ago
I stopped trying to connect DDLC with Project Libitina awhile ago. My theory on the next game is here.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1479857071251131988/?ctp=46#c1620600279672391375

The way I see it, the settiing really is an afterthought. The Japanese/anime tones are just a stylistic choice for the story. I heard that Dan was very specific on how he wanted the characters drawn, but gave the artists more freedom on the backgrounds and CGs, so it can’t matter too much what they look like. Isn’t Velinquint Japanese? Just going by that Japanese website where he put his background art. So it makes sense that if he had creative freedom, he’d make a Japanese looking school.
#996

Da ninja has Doki Doki Literature Club 16 hours ago

YouTube™ Video: Game Theory: Monika’s Twisted Fate! (Doki Doki Literature Club Theory)
Views: 4,332
Hello ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Anime-I mean Game Theory, where we finally tackle the second half of this Doki Doki Literature Club Theory. It’s quite the crazy one.

Another theory. Agree with part of it, disagree with another.

Part I agree; DDLC is a test. Want toexpand on my above comments on why Project Lib is using a moe anime game. The game itself is a simulation. Within the context of the game and its world I would say project Lib wanted to test the thrid eye in a more efficent way so it did it bywaifu simulator. Monika is in the game, her chibi sticker is around.

To expand on his theory one of the girls will always be the president and undateable and this is to drive her to insanity which usually results in her utilizing her third eye. From in game text we see that Project Lib had a bad habit of breaking their experiments. So they decided to try a simulation approach. The simulation was released unwittingly to the public in the guize of a waifu simulator where they would monitor the various actions of the girls now on several differnt computers.

What I disagree with him on is Monka’s note being the MC. I still am pretty damn sure that is Monika herself.
#997

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 4 hours ago
Originally posted by kwhero:
I stopped trying to connect DDLC with Project Libitina awhile ago. My theory on the next game is here.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1479857071251131988/?ctp=46#c1620600279672391375

The way I see it, the settiing really is an afterthought. The Japanese/anime tones are just a stylistic choice for the story. I heard that Dan was very specific on how he wanted the characters drawn, but gave the artists more freedom on the backgrounds and CGs, so it can’t matter too much what they look like. Isn’t Velinquint Japanese? Just going by that Japanese website where he put his background art. So it makes sense that if he had creative freedom, he’d make a Japanese looking school.

I agree with kwhero that there is no point in trying to relate DDLC with PL more than it’s needed. I mean, the references are clear and all but, in my opinion, the only plausible “link” between the two of them is the Third Eye. Trying to find more relations is still possible but it’s like splitting hairs… It ends up being too complex to be true ( or believable).

To me, the setting still doesn’t really matter, so like kwhero has just said, maybe it was just some artistic freedom. ( Is it just me, or does Sayori’s stuffed bird looks like Chuck from Angry Birds?)

Originally posted by Da ninja:

Another theory. Agree with part of it, disagree with another.

Part I agree; DDLC is a test. Want toexpand on my above comments on why Project Lib is using a moe anime game. The game itself is a simulation. Within the context of the game and its world I would say project Lib wanted to test the thrid eye in a more efficent way so it did it bywaifu simulator. Monika is in the game, her chibi sticker is around.

I believe that the game looks like a moe anime to draw as much attention as possble. If you wanted to perform a test, the more subjects the better, right? And this stresses even more when talking about social experiments…

Originally posted by Da ninja:
To expand on his theory one of the girls will always be the president and undateable and this is to drive her to insanity which usually results in her utilizing her third eye. From in game text we see that Project Lib had a bad habit of breaking their experiments. So they decided to try a simulation approach. The simulation was released unwittingly to the public in the guize of a waifu simulator where they would monitor the various actions of the girls now on several differnt computers.

What I disagree with him on is Monka’s note being the MC. I still am pretty damn sure that is Monika herself.

I think that being the president doesn’t matter. The insanity had always been there. Remember the good old They were already mentally ill.

Moreoever, this game was meant to be an experiment since the very beginning so its release was totally planned and their results somewhat “expected”. What I’m trying to say here that everything is for a reason, never doubt that.

Also, I agree with you that the MC is Monika’s puppet or directly Monika herself. Come on! He reeks of Monika since the very beginning! Ahaha
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#998

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 1 hour ago
DG, yes, that CAN YOU HEAR ME.txt serves several purposes. “There’s a little devil inside all of us” ref, Sayori in Act 1 trying to con the mc, and including Monika even as she justifies “untie the knot”.

MC reeks even before our game: from a class last year. Monika’s poems , epiphany, shows she knows [player] us, from the very beginning, mc’s nothing but a foil to play with. Cruel too, you left her hanging. That GT thing, so far off the mark it’s almost … meh.
#999

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 1 hour ago
Ok everyone, this is the comment number 1000!

I just wanted to claim it… Ahaha

Anyway, I’ll repay you with an interesting Third Eye theory this weekend, deal? Ahaha
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#1000

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