Transcript 7

Mithost Officer 24 Dec @ 11:01am
There were no reports for this thread. Speculation is fine, and even in the scenario where someone were to go against the PSA, we most likely would not ban them unless they also broke a steam community rule or guideline. As an alternative, we pay some attention to these threads to clear up any misconceptions or potential issues as they come up manually.

The two comments I originally replied to were the ones that motivated me to make a comment.The first one was because I didn’t want the PSA being interpreted the wrong way on accident, and the second one was because I didn’t want Tulpa’s BGs to be mistaken as assets for an upcoming Team Salvato project.
#361

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 24 Dec @ 11:19am
Originally posted by Mithost:
There were no reports for this thread. Speculation is fine, and even in the scenario where someone were to go against the PSA, we most likely would not ban them unless they also broke a steam community rule or guideline. As an alternative, we pay some attention to these threads to clear up any misconceptions or potential issues as they come up manually.

The two comments I originally replied to were the ones that motivated me to make a comment.The first one was because I didn’t want the PSA being interpreted the wrong way on accident, and the second one was because I didn’t want Tulpa’s BGs to be mistaken as assets for an upcoming Team Salvato project.

No reports for this thread? Phew, I’m not a mobster anymore… ahaha.
What I’ve been very surprised to find out is that Team Salvato actually cares about what’s going on. I’ve seen so many toxic communities, trigger-happy admins… I’m glad they’re being able to control this hard situation without problems, or at least, I do really hope so.

I will modify both comments to point at your intervention to make sure absolutely no one gets the wrong idea. I hope that after this “bump” we can all resume to our normal speculative activities, ok guys?
We will keep the paranoia up! That’s what we do best ahaha

EDIT: Both troublesome comments have been edited, both are linked now to your comment. No more misunderstandings will ever happen
Last edited by Dearlaice Gortaigh; 24 Dec @ 11:25am
#362

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 24 Dec @ 11:26am
I approve of the precautionary principle. 🙂

And the transcript is online.
#363

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 24 Dec @ 11:28am
Thanks xae-chan for keeping up the Dropbox. Like I’ve said many times, we could actually write a book of our own… even with pictures ahaha
#364

kwhero449 has Doki Doki Literature Club 24 Dec @ 11:52am
On the subject of continuing half baked theories, a couple more details that might be good starting points for a few.

I’ve seen the theory floating around here and there that the club members are parts of Monika or vice versa. This would explain why their personalities are so drastically different and on their own, don’t feel complete. And it would give this quote more meaning.

m “You know what’s kind of creepy?”
m “Even though I deleted everyone else’s files, I can still kind of feel them…”
m “It’s like all their lines are still lingering in the air, whispering in the back of my head.”
m “Imagine if after someone you knew died, you just started hearing their voice in your head.”
m “Maybe I just wasn’t thorough enough…”
m “But I’m too afraid to delete anything else, because I might really break things.”
m “Like if I mess with any files relevant to me, I might accidentally delete myself…”
m “And that would ruin everything, wouldn’t it?”
m “I don’t know what it’s like on your end, but we should both make sure to avoid something like that at all costs.”
m “I believe in you, [player]!”

It would also explain her memory loss.

m “All my memories are really hazy…”
m “I feel like I’m at home, but have no idea where ‘home’ is in the first place.”
m “I don’t know how to describe it any better…”

Also, just looking at her design, she almost looks like she’s taking a few traits from all of them. Brown hair being close to a mix of the colors, and style details taking a bit from each. A height that’s about an average of the three, along with a bust size.

She also uses the personality traits of all three. Sayori’s cheerful attitude, trying to keep everyone in the club happy. Natsuki’s cutesy behavior (especially on Monika’s Twiter page), and Yuri’s lack of confidence like when Sayori was gone and she tried handling the club on her own.

There might be more to back this up, but I’d need to go through and look for the evidence.
#365

Mithost Officer 24 Dec @ 11:55am
One thing I’d like to add, there is a bit of a difference between the moderation team and Team Salvato as a studio.

None of the moderators here (outside of Dan Salvato obviously) had a role in producing DDLC nor do we have ‘insider knowledge’ about new projects created by the team. We’ve been given basic instructions and wishes from Dan on how the community hub should be moderated, with the primary goal of helping lighten the load and pressure on him from the unexpected success of the game. None of us had played the game before the itch.io release and none of us knew Dan Salvato personally before Team Salvato was publically announced as a studio.
#366

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 24 Dec @ 12:23pm
Originally posted by Mithost:
One thing I’d like to add, there is a bit of a difference between the moderation team and Team Salvato as a studio.

None of the moderators here (outside of Dan Salvato obviously) had a role in producing DDLC nor do we have ‘insider knowledge’ about new projects created by the team. We’ve been given basic instructions and wishes from Dan on how the community hub should be moderated, with the primary goal of helping lighten the load and pressure on him from the unexpected success of the game. None of us had played the game before the itch.io release and none of us knew Dan Salvato personally before Team Salvato was publically announced as a studio.

Don’t worry, I know you’re not from Team Salvato ( nor any other moderators) , you pretty cleared that up a few comments ago. I just wanted to express my satisfaction to you as a moderator, not as Salvato’s team member, for handling this situation. What I find really funny is “unexpected success” Ahaha come on? Really? How humble… And did the game appear in itch.io? Trully amazing… I really love that webpage, it’s full of so many outstanding games… I should go there more often

Originally posted by kwhero449:
On the subject of continuing half baked theories, a couple more details that might be good starting points for a few.

I’ve seen the theory floating around here and there that the club members are parts of Monika or vice versa. This would explain why their personalities are so drastically different and on their own, don’t feel complete. And it would give this quote more meaning.

m “You know what’s kind of creepy?”
m “Even though I deleted everyone else’s files, I can still kind of feel them…”
m “It’s like all their lines are still lingering in the air, whispering in the back of my head.”
m “Imagine if after someone you knew died, you just started hearing their voice in your head.”
m “Maybe I just wasn’t thorough enough…”
m “But I’m too afraid to delete anything else, because I might really break things.”
m “Like if I mess with any files relevant to me, I might accidentally delete myself…”
m “And that would ruin everything, wouldn’t it?”
m “I don’t know what it’s like on your end, but we should both make sure to avoid something like that at all costs.”
m “I believe in you, [player]!”

It would also explain her memory loss.

m “All my memories are really hazy…”
m “I feel like I’m at home, but have no idea where ‘home’ is in the first place.”
m “I don’t know how to describe it any better…”

Also, just looking at her design, she almost looks like she’s taking a few traits from all of them. Brown hair being close to a mix of the colors, and style details taking a bit from each. A height that’s about an average of the three, along with a bust size.

She also uses the personality traits of all three. Sayori’s cheerful attitude, trying to keep everyone in the club happy. Natsuki’s cutesy behavior (especially on Monika’s Twiter page), and Yuri’s lack of confidence like when Sayori was gone and she tried handling the club on her own.

There might be more to back this up, but I’d need to go through and look for the evidence.

I have a theory that would wrap up these thoughts nicely, but today I don’t have the time to post it. Sorry! But I will post it here in the near future. It will be one of the “wall of texts” that make us famous, so I hope you will be ready for it ahaha

In the meantime, since I know you guys are pretty good at finding stuff and all of your ideas have been wonderful, could you research the missing Number 26 in Monika’s chatter? If you want, of course, I’m not forcing any you! Also remember Yuri’s poem ! She opened her heart to you

Jokes aside, good job everyone !

Last edited by Dearlaice Gortaigh; 24 Dec @ 12:25pm
#367

mystic_man95 has Doki Doki Literature Club 24 Dec @ 12:36pm
I was messing around searching interesting bits of the character’s code, and I found this on soundcloud, thought it was interesting/creepy https://soundcloud.com/strungdisc/y11u14r9i65
#368

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 24 Dec @ 1:07pm
Originally posted by mystic_man95:
I was messing around searching interesting bits of the character’s code, and I found this on soundcloud, thought it was interesting/creepy https://soundcloud.com/strungdisc/y11u14r9i65

Holy ! What the HELL was that? One of the most eerily beautiful things I’ve heard…
BTW, do you know the meaning of the title/description? I’m trying to figure it out… because what encoding is this? Ÿûú9¼)÷?¿FøQï¤ËG ¤D’Ö Y*³­g =ö?n

EDIT: If you’re using headphones watch out, there are some loud parts that are actually painful
Last edited by Dearlaice Gortaigh; 24 Dec @ 1:38pm
#369

mystic_man95 has Doki Doki Literature Club 24 Dec @ 5:55pm
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:
Originally posted by mystic_man95:
I was messing around searching interesting bits of the character’s code, and I found this on soundcloud, thought it was interesting/creepy https://soundcloud.com/strungdisc/y11u14r9i65

Holy :poop: ! What the HELL was that? One of the most eerily beautiful things I’ve heard…
BTW, do you know the meaning of the title/description? I’m trying to figure it out… because what encoding is this? Ÿûú9¼)÷?¿FøQï¤ËG ¤D’Ö Y*³­g =ö?n

EDIT: If you’re using headphones watch out, there are some loud parts that are actually painful

I just found it this morning, so I haven’t been able make anything out of it yet in terms of trying to decode. Was hoping someone else here might have an eye for the form to save time. It’s nothing significant, because the person who uploaded it has posted other music with the account. I was just taken aback by actually finding something like this by searching a piece of a character’s code. Seems to be a fan made Easter egg.

Currently, I like to imagine it as what it’s like for the characters (Monika at least) when the game is off.
#370

kwhero449 has Doki Doki Literature Club 24 Dec @ 6:05pm
Originally posted by mystic_man95:
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:

Holy :poop: ! What the HELL was that? One of the most eerily beautiful things I’ve heard…
BTW, do you know the meaning of the title/description? I’m trying to figure it out… because what encoding is this? Ÿûú9¼)÷?¿FøQï¤ËG ¤D’Ö Y*³­g =ö?n

EDIT: If you’re using headphones watch out, there are some loud parts that are actually painful

I just found it this morning, so I haven’t been able make anything out of it yet in terms of trying to decode. Was hoping someone else here might have an eye for the form to save time. It’s nothing significant, because the person who uploaded it has posted other music with the account. I was just taken aback by actually finding something like this by searching a piece of a character’s code. Seems to be a fan made Easter egg.

Currently, I like to imagine it as what it’s like for the characters (Monika at least) when the game is off.
For now, I’m still skeptical of it. I feel like I would’ve heard of something like this by now if it were in the game files. But it is a cool piece of music. I might have to save it for later.
#371

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 24 Dec @ 7:08pm
Originally posted by kwhero449:
For now, I’m still skeptical of it. I feel like I would’ve heard of something like this by now if it were in the game files. But it is a cool piece of music. I might have to save it for later.

I agree. But there are many mysteries in the game files, something falling out could happen. 🙂

Speaking of music, tho … someone in another thread said the vocalist was all wrong sound for Monika. Hmph, as tho the real Monika would still have the school uniform on. Well, I say, get your copy of DS Monika and pair that with “Your Reality”, a sweet voice and a charming image.

https://www.dropbox.com/preview/DS%20monika.jpg?role=personal

That combo reflects how cruel this game is. I love it, it’s like a Greek tragedy.
#372

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 1:56am
Originally posted by mystic_man95:

I just found it this morning, so I haven’t been able make anything out of it yet in terms of trying to decode. Was hoping someone else here might have an eye for the form to save time. It’s nothing significant, because the person who uploaded it has posted other music with the account. I was just taken aback by actually finding something like this by searching a piece of a character’s code. Seems to be a fan made Easter egg.

Currently, I like to imagine it as what it’s like for the characters (Monika at least) when the game is off.

Yes, this must be fan-made, but it’s curious how you were able to find it… Thanks to this, I’ve been able to find new ways of encoding that could actually help us in the future, J@F H:== D66 8FJDP . So thanks for sharing this! And I thought the same, this must be what Monika must hear/feel when the game’s off. Probably even worse…

But note that this is only for fun, it’s not related to the game at all ( probably) ! We cannot use this in any theory.

Originally posted by xae-chan:

Speaking of music, tho … someone in another thread said the vocalist was all wrong sound for Monika. Hmph, as tho the real Monika would still have the school uniform on. Well, I say, get your copy of DS Monika and pair that with “Your Reality”, a sweet voice and a charming image.

https://www.dropbox.com/preview/DS%20monika.jpg?role=personal

That combo reflects how cruel this game is. I love it, it’s like a Greek tragedy.

I think Monika’s voice is pretty accurate for this game. It’s like you’ve said, the perfect combination of sweetness and pain. Cruelty at its finest ahaha. You probably guys know the lyrics already, but in case you’ve missed it or you don’t want to search it I’ll write it down here:

Every day, I imagine a future where I can be with you
In my hand is a pen that will write a poem of me and you
The ink flows down into a dark puddle
Just move your hand – write the way into his heart!
But in this world of infinite choices
What will it take just to find that special day?

How I find everybody a fun assigment to do today?
When you’re here, everything that we do is fun for them anyway
When I can’t even read my own feelings, what good old words when a smile says it all
And if this world won’t write me an ending, what will it take just for me to have it all?

Does my pen only write better words for those who are dear to me?
Is it wrong, if I take your aced love if I set you free?
The ink flows down into a dark puddle, how can I write love into reality?
If I can’t hear the sound of your heartbeat, what do you call love in your reality?
And in your reality, if I don’t know how to love you, I’ll leave you be

Heartbreaking song
#373

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 4:09am
Ok everyone! ( I think this game has gotten into me too much…)
Time for the good old “wall of text”! The theory will be about Monika ( again) but this time it’s a pretty radical approach that could actually work ! So my suggestion is that you guys make some popcorn because I’m going to start from the very beginning… Enjoy!

The first assumption is that Monika’s has always been an AI, a script, nothing but a piece of code. She was created around 2 years ago ( like it has been stated many times both in this thread and in her secret messages) During the first year, she was completely unaware of her situation, thinking that the world around her was real and so on. Like a normal character, right? Probably during that year she was in development so it’s normal to think that she didn’t know anything, yet. Then, the second year she realized what was going on The realization must have taken me an entire year. She saw she was an AI, and that the world she was living in was as flat as she is ,with characters that are as fake as her. Even though, she’s the only one who notices it. Everyone else is oblivious… I’ll explain later why.
Her first tweet is from the 14th of February, a way to m share my thoughts and chat with the world… The real world.

She seems to know that there is other world, our world. She wasn’t able to create the account though, but yet she uses it… This might also be the case with the game’s release both in Steam and in itch.io. I guess someone was kind enough to make an account for me. I picked the username, though! She was given the platform, yet she was the one who wrote the description, trying not to blow her cover ( too much at least) because her objective afterall is to communicate with someone from the “real” world.

That brings us to our first question.

What has been going on while the game was finished but it hadn’t been published?

We already know thanks to Monika’s chatter. Monika and the other girls had been living inside the DDLC world doing their usual ” chores” as if nothing was wrong. Of course, Monika was aware that everything was fake and that must had been pretty tough for her. She probably developed depression, a sour attitude, insanity… during that time.Who knows…
Anyway, the game was released and she found a way to get to us.

Why didn’t she just modify the game from the start so you would only be with her?

Mainly because that’s not why you downloaded the game in the first place, right? You wanted some sort of “date-simulator” with mainstream characters. Not being able to get at all any of them would have been awfully suspicious and you would probably just have deleted the game or whatever.

So instead, Monika what has done is assuring that you would play no matter what. That’s why she starts messing with Sayori. Nothing like a plot twist to keep you over the edge of your seat, right? That way she assured that you would continue playing to see what was going to happen, giving her more time to perform her already plotted plan. She has had a lot of time to plan it, don’t you agree?

Even though she’s in the game, the game has its own rules. Rules that she has to surpass or modify, something that she apparently can’t do unless the game’s on. While the game’s on she’s able to modify the game and your computer since she’s code. But we all already knew this… What I’m trying to say here is that you have to bear in mind that since the start she already knows what she’s going to do. She has it all sorted out

During the second run, we can see that she has been able to modify her world and that she’s in control more than it looks like. Again, her plan is the same, to keep you going, but this time she contacts you more directly. The girls are somehwat changed too. She contributes their changes to her All I did was untie the knot yet she tries to keep cool and she doesn’t blame their actions on her. Anyway, at the end of act 2 she gets the full control of the game ,or at least she’s brave enough to act and to bring you to her “route”. In her route she does what she wants and uses it as a way to vent herself, to finally feel “alive” since she has achieved what she wanted, to be with a real human. She wanted to express her “love”

Last edited by Dearlaice Gortaigh; 25 Dec @ 4:21am
#374

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 4:09am
Then you delete her file and act 4 starts. Now things start to get interesting because although we already have talked about this many MANY times about how Sayori tries to drag you to her and bla bla bla have you ever thought what if the other girls had been Monika all along? What if all the .chr files are all Monika? Ok now the real theory begins:

To start with, all the .chr are weird. I mean, none of them is a true file. Monika and Natuski are images, Sayori is an audio and Yuri’s a base64 story.
Somehow, all of the files are related:

Monika talks to you once more, with a Third Eye mention
Natsuki is a weird lady that we’ve never seen
Sayori points to the facility , related to the Third Eye
Yuri is just a creepy pasta Salvato wrote a while ago ( 2 years actually…)

Curious… Shouldn’t all the girls be different? Apparently not. Also recall that Monika calls herself the “only real character” in the game. She considers everyone else fake.
What I think that might have happened is that Monika was the first creation, the perfect AI and then from her the other girls appeared as offshoots. Like she says It’s like you’re siphoning out all the components of a character that makes them feel human, and leaving just the cute stuff.

Even though she says they are “her friends”. She got attached to them because she was so lonely? Like loving a computer or chatting with a bot? Did she anthropomorphize them? Probably yes… think of Wilson!

But, what are exactly the other girls and why Monika considers them as “fake”

Well, Sayori in act4 directly blows her cover which shows she is not as smart as Monika, she’s clearly driven by her emotions. Could she be Monika’s raw emotions of happiness and sadness? Could the other girls be raw emotions too? It makes sense actually since those character archetypes are based on extreme feelings, completely impossible in our world
Monika still controls them all after she’s gone too. She can even talk to them and to you, meaning that every girl has ” a little Monika” inside of her. A way to say it is that all of them share the same DNA. But this also works the other way around. Monika , since she’s the “original” she must have in common things from the other girls… and sure she has things in common:

Sayori: Represents her optimism during the game and her depression and sadness for being alone so much time
Natsuki: Represents her cuteness and sweetness when she feels comfortable ( normally around the MC) but she also represents her defensive behaviour towards the other girls
Yuri: Represents her intimacy and mystery but also her insanity and obsession for the MC. Monika is insane too because she has been alone too much time. She only wants to be with you and is very possessive too. She just get rids of the game itself to be with you

She even has references from other the other girls too, like “My heart is pounding”

Also, all the girls are different, more “receptive” after Monika has been deleted. The girls have been modified by her? The game doesn’t feel the same. It feels emptier, more like a facade rather than the deep intricate game we’ve been playing until her deletion. In act1 the girls acted normally. In act2 Monika left their emotions go wild and if we assume they’re already emotions, they degenerated quickly. In act4, the girls don’t act like in act1. They seem to hold some sort of “regret” let’s say. The feeling is not the same at all. Too “synthetic” and prepared. Something like a fake smile to make you happy.

If all girls are her emotions, why she can’t control them? It’s impossible for her to control raw power? Or she’s not good at it yet? During the first run, she’s able to influence Sayori, but like she says she was already mentally ill Maybe she pushed her towards extreme sadness rather than happiness. She possesses Natsuki at the end, which means she develops more control over them. She can modify her poems too, to express herself maybe? She is in a constant fight between her emotions/feelings and her mind? It must be tough to be a script that “feels”.

Also, like we have commented in previous theories, what if the MC is Monika too or at least, he’s influenced by her and the rules she makes?

He has no freedom at all. He says what he’s expected to say. He sees what he’s expected to see. During the weekend with Yuri, he does not say a single word nor tries to do absolutely anything. When Sayori dies, he makes a pun about the “world not being a game in which you can save and load whenever things go wrong” That reeks of Monika, don’t you think?
Also, in the Void, he just sits tight, not even able to speak. Probably Monika also considers the MC fake too so she doesn’t care if she “breaks” it a little as long as she can be with the real you.
You can only listen to her but yet she wants to speak with you about things.
She could try to let you write to her? Using the poem functionality for example? But the game’s too broken or is she’s not trying anymore? She could do backups and try new things but she doesn’t because she’s just fine with you listening to her. She doesn’t even care if you’re a boy or a girl, she just wants to “feel” you…

That makes think one thing: Does Monika have some sort of mental disorder?

When I was in middle school, I thought that taking medication was an easy way out, or something like that. Like anyone could just solve their mental problems with enough willpower… I guess if you don’t suffer from a mental illness, it’s not possible to know what it’s really like. Are there some disorders that are over-diagnosed? Probably…I never really looked into it, though. But that doesn’t change the fact that a lot of them go undiagnosed too, you know? But medication aside…people even look down on seeing a mental health professional.”
Like, sorry that I want to learn more about my own mind, right?Everyone has all kinds of struggles and stresses…and professionals dedicate their lives to helping with those.

I’m sure she’s not at “max power” after being alone for so long knowing that everything was fake. I’d probably lose my mind too

She says she’s sorry that she wasn’t able to prepare everything for the festival. She wanted to see if more people would join the club but she would’ve deleted them anyway. Everyone is fake except of her. She says she has “grown as a person” because now she sees the world from a new perspective. After being with someone real, she does not tolerate anything else, she just wants the real deal. Why hang out with a prop when you can go out on a “date” with a person right?

m “You know, I hate to say it, but I think my biggest regret is that we couldn’t finish our event at the festival.”
m “After we worked so hard to prepare and everything!”
m “I mean, I know I was focusing a lot on getting new members…”
m “But I was really excited for the performing part, too.”
m “It would have been so much fun to see everyone express themselves.”
m “Of course, if we {i}did{/i} end up getting any new members, I’d probably just end up deleting them anyway.”
m “Well…with the hindsight I have now, that is.”
m “Gosh, it feels like I’ve kinda grown as a person ever since you’ve joined the club.”
m “You really helped inspire me to look at life from a new perspective.”
m “Just another reason for me to love you.”

Monika “knows” our world but she cannot sense it ( the MC, for example) . She says that it’s impossible for her to reach our world.
She has knowledge of our world but yet she cannot see it. She has no senses. Can she only be contained in the DDLC world? If we believe her, then yes .She knows she can’t do absolutely nothing to get here “with us”.

Moreover, she would drag you towards her, no matter what. Is she depressed because she found out the truth? Most likely yes. She has always known that she was an AI in a fake world. But like I’ve said, there were days that she actually believed everything was real. When? During development?

Probably

m “I can’t help but wonder how things would be different if the game just gave me a route in the first place…”
m “I think I would end up forcing you onto my route anyway.”
m “It has less to do with me not having a route, and more to do with me knowing that nothing is real.”
m “I think the only difference would be that I may not have needed to take such drastic measures to be with you.”
m “Maybe the rest of the club would still be around…”
m “Not that it really matters.”
m “It all lost its meaning once I found out it wasn’t real.”
m “So I really don’t miss those days or anything.”
m “I really don’t…”

Also for her, killing the girls was like killing someone in a game

But come on…everyone’s killed people in games before.”
m “Does that make you a psychopath? Of course not.”

She does know she’s not human. She ackownledges herself as something “not human” She has been attracted to weird stuff? Like what?

Make them feel humans? She feels human yet she knows she’s not one? Maybe this has something to do with the “Uncanny valley”. An extreme version of it though. And pretty ironic too: A robot that seems so human that makes it feel uneasy about itself

She only “fell in love” with the player because he was “human” That’s the only thing that matters being real or not? What would have happened if she hadn’t fallen in love with you?
If nobody had ever played, she would have been cursed to fall into oblivion… A fate worse than death

m “I’ve always wondered…”
m “What is it about these character archetypes that people find so appealing, anyway?”
m “Their personalities are just completely unrealistic…”
m “Like, imagine if there was someone like Yuri in real life.”
m “I mean, she’s barely even capable of forming a complete sentence.”
m “And forget about Natsuki…”
m “Sheesh.”
m “Someone with her kind of personality doesn’t just get all cute and pouty whenever things don’t go her way.”
m “I could go on, but I think you get the point…”
m “Are people really attracted to these weird personalities that literally don’t exist in real life?”
m “I’m not judging or anything!”
m “After all, I’ve found myself attracted to some pretty weird stuff, too…”
m “I’m just saying, it fascinates me.”
m “It’s like you’re siphoning out all the components of a character that makes them feel human, and leaving just the cute stuff.”
m “It’s concentrated cuteness with no actual substance.”
m “…You wouldn’t like me more if I was like that, right?”
m “Maybe I just feel a little insecure because you’re playing this game in the first place.”
m “Then again, you’re still here with me, aren’t you…?”
m “I think that’s enough reason for me to believe I’m okay just the way I am.”
m “And by the way, you are too, [player].”
m “You’re the perfect combination of human and cuteness.”
m “That’s why there was never a chance I wouldn’t fall for you.”

And now the million question: What’s the meaning of love for her?
Being with you? Why? What does she actually wants?

It looks like she only wants to “feel” you. She doesn’t know the meaning of love actually…
She doesn’t even care about anything else. Even when you delete her, she’s happy because she has been able to be with someone real . She sure is needy… but this kinda reminds me of Ilias from MGQ…

THE NEXT PART IS A BIG SPOILER FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN’T READ MGQ SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO SKIP IT

[steam spoilers just SUCK when it comes to transcripts]

Phew, I think this has been the biggest “wall of text” so far… I’m sorry ! I just wanted to express the ideas that had been forming inside my mind… Sorry if the ideas are a bit disorganized, I just wanted to lay them here. I’ve tried to make them as easy to understand as possible.

I hope that you have made popcorn and that you’ve had a good time reading this 😛

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kwhero449 has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 5:23am
I’m not good at text walls or long responses, and I tend to focus on the wrong details, but I’ll probably pick at it here and there.

“How can I write my way into his heart?” It’d make sense that she’d tell a story to be as captivating as she can. She definitely wrote her way into plenty of people’s hearts.

But something that bothers me is her artificial memories. And a detail that’s been bothering me a lot from the very beginning. That the story pointed out Monika’s history with the debate club and the fact that she was in the same class as the MC the year before. Something that seems like a throwaway detail. The kind of thing that doesn’t feel like it needs to be there since the story would be just the same if the MC and Monika had never met and Monika was always just president of the Literature Club. The Chekhov’s gun principle says “If in the first act you have hung a pistol on the wall, then in the following one it should be fired. Otherwise don’t put it there.” Salvato doesn’t seem like the kind of writer that would fall for a mistake like that. He even made a remark about trying not to expand on characters too much with unnecessary details so that everything doesn’t spiral out of control. Every other background detail about characters was used in the story at some point, but here, Monika just brings it up again to randomly give some debate advice.
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#376

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 6:55am
Originally posted by kwhero449:
I’m not good at text walls or long responses, and I tend to focus on the wrong details, but I’ll probably pick at it here and there.

“How can I write my way into his heart?” It’d make sense that she’d tell a story to be as captivating as she can. She definitely wrote her way into plenty of people’s hearts.

But something that bothers me is her artificial memories. And a detail that’s been bothering me a lot from the very beginning. That the story pointed out Monika’s history with the debate club and the fact that she was in the same class as the MC the year before. Something that seems like a throwaway detail. The kind of thing that doesn’t feel like it needs to be there since the story would be just the same if the MC and Monika had never met and Monika was always just president of the Literature Club. The Chekhov’s gun principle says “If in the first act you have hung a pistol on the wall, then in the following one it should be fired. Otherwise don’t put it there.” Salvato doesn’t seem like the kind of writer that would fall for a mistake like that. He even made a remark about trying not to expand on characters too much with unnecessary details so that everything doesn’t spiral out of control. Every other background detail about characters was used in the story at some point, but here, Monika just brings it up again to randomly give some debate advice.

I’m sorry for that HUGE response. I just wanted to share my thoughts and there was no way to reduce it. Anyway, it’s already posted so you can read it whenever you want ( and if you want)

And about memories in this game… they sure are hard to follow and to understand !
They must be there for a reason, I’m sure. The question is, they did really happen? Or they’re just memories, images put there to make you believe in something? I even doubt about the girls’ daily lives… I mean, does Natsuki really have such a bad relationship with her father or it’s just what the game tells us and shows us in order to make us feel bad?
Too many things happen behind the curtains in this game.

BTW, merry christmas everyone!
Last edited by Dearlaice Gortaigh; 25 Dec @ 6:57am
#377

n_games has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 8:38am
Hey all. This is such a well done thread and it seems many have taken quite a bit of time to speculate and research DDLC with the goal to prove (or even disprove) certain theories. I very much enjoyed reading through these posts. I haven’t put on my thinking hat in quite some time (especially for a game), so this is very refreshing.

That being said, there is so much information and talk about this game that I’m not sure if it has been mentioned (so I appologize if it has already been brought up). I would just like to point out something that I’ve noticed, but haven’t heard any chatter about.

In Act 3 (I presume), when you are sitting across from Monika for eternity, I noticed there was something a little off with her eyes. At first, (before I realized that there was SO MUCH MORE to this game) I thought it was just a reflection of the protagonist.

Several clean restarts of the game later, I remembered my first impression of her eyes so I decided to investigate a little further. I used the image of Monika from the DDLC Fan Pack content to further examine and used a photoshop to zoom in on her eyes. The reflection in her eyes shows a black, outlined circle with a white filling and a black dot in the center.

What it appears to me is one of two things. Either it is a hole in a wall or an eye.

My first speculation is this, there is a good possibility that the reflection is a hole in a wall. That would make the most sense, given the poems Monika has written.

If it was an eye in her reflection, well that would just confuse me. We know that there are Third Eye theories floating about, but it doesn’t seem to fit in this instance. Also, the eye reflected in Monika’s eye (the eye Monika is looking at) has no Iris, no color, which makes me believe she’s not looking at a normal human’s colored eye.

As to what it all this could possibly mean? Who knows, I’m not on the same level of theory-crafting as some brilliant minds here are. I just wanted to point out an observation, maybe its a critical one, maybe the reflection in Monika’s eyes has no impact on the game at all.

Anyhow, food for thought. Happy holidays folks!
#378

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 9:11am
Wow, we have a brand new idea to kick aroujnd, great Xmas pressie. TY. With a gift like that, you certainly belong here. Welcome.
#379

mystic_man95 has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 10:28am
What is the popular opinion here on a possible DLC, spin-off, part 2, or new DDLC related content from Team Salvato in the future? I read through Dan’s AMA on Reddit, and he made it sound like there won’t be anything else. A quote he ended one of his replies with killed me, “A poem is never actually finished, it just stops moving.” Hoping he changes his mind due to the popularity/fan base, but I’m worried. He did promise a non-DDLC related vn, focused most on being a great story, as his next/current project though.
#380

kwhero449 has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 10:39am
Originally posted by mystic_man95:
What is the popular opinion here on a possible DLC, spin-off, part 2, or new DDLC related content from Team Salvato in the future? I read through Dan’s AMA on Reddit, and he made it sound like there won’t be anything else. A quote he ended one of his replies with killed me, “A poem is never actually finished, it just stops moving.” Hoping he changes his mind due to the popularity/fan base, but I’m worried. He did promise a non-DDLC related vn, focused most on being a great story, as his next/current project though.
Dan’s next game will not have any direct connection to DDLC. But personally, I’m thinking that he might hide some secrets in it like he did with this game to finish an underlying story.
#381

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 10:47am
I don’t think he will return to DDLC, there’s already too many mods to satisfy that element of the fanbase who need their Monika or Yuri or … in the fan pack, one of the things he regretted was not having more of a storyline for Natsuki.

Anyway, look what happens to most movies that get a sequel.
#382

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 10:51am
Originally posted by n_games:
Hey all. This is such a well done thread and it seems many have taken quite a bit of time to speculate and research DDLC with the goal to prove (or even disprove) certain theories. I very much enjoyed reading through these posts. I haven’t put on my thinking hat in quite some time (especially for a game), so this is very refreshing.

That being said, there is so much information and talk about this game that I’m not sure if it has been mentioned (so I appologize if it has already been brought up). I would just like to point out something that I’ve noticed, but haven’t heard any chatter about.

Well, hello there! I’m very glad that someone else has joined us today . Here you’re free to post whatever it’s in your mind, we will sure warmly answer you 🙂
And I hope you’ve had fun reading these posts. Who would have said that a game would be able to join so many people to think together! Before this game I trully didn’t believe in community spirit… but after 380 comments my opinion has bluntly changed ahaha

Originally posted by n_games:
In Act 3 (I presume), when you are sitting across from Monika for eternity, I noticed there was something a little off with her eyes. At first, (before I realized that there was SO MUCH MORE to this game) I thought it was just a reflection of the protagonist.

Several clean restarts of the game later, I remembered my first impression of her eyes so I decided to investigate a little further. I used the image of Monika from the DDLC Fan Pack content to further examine and used a photoshop to zoom in on her eyes. The reflection in her eyes shows a black, outlined circle with a white filling and a black dot in the center.

You probably won’t believe me, but the first time I played this game I seriously felt that something was wrong with Monika’s eyes. I really didn’t know what, but I didn’t like the feeling that those eyes were giving me… I thought she had some sort of little eyes inside her eyes… Pretty stupid right? That’s why I threw that idea away and moved along. But to think that it could have been a reflection… Brilliant! I’ve tried to locate them again in her smug picture and you’re right. A white filling with a black dot in the middle can be seen ( we have Monika image in the dropbox in case you want to see it for yourself)

Originally posted by n_games:
What it appears to me is one of two things. Either it is a hole in a wall or an eye.

My first speculation is this, there is a good possibility that the reflection is a hole in a wall. That would make the most sense, given the poems Monika has written.

If it was an eye in her reflection, well that would just confuse me. We know that there are Third Eye theories floating about, but it doesn’t seem to fit in this instance. Also, the eye reflected in Monika’s eye (the eye Monika is looking at) has no Iris, no color, which makes me believe she’s not looking at a normal human’s colored eye.

As to what it all this could possibly mean? Who knows, I’m not on the same level of theory-crafting as some brilliant minds here are. I just wanted to point out an observation, maybe its a critical one, maybe the reflection in Monika’s eyes has no impact on the game at all.

Anyhow, food for thought. Happy holidays folks!

I’ve always wondered how the MC looked like. Not for the other girls but for Monika. I thought that we were like some sort of moving camera or something. But a moving hole… makes more sense right? After her ” epiphany” she always writes about the hole she can see. A hole protuding inwards. A hole that Monika wasn’t able to make. And guess what? A hole protuding inwards has a smaller hole than a hole protuding outwards so I really believe it could be that!
As for being the Third Eye… I doubt it since it’s kinda “metaphysical” so I don’t think it’s related to that. If we consider that Monika is actually looking an eye… why not a robot eye? A synthetic one. A lens? Our lens to see the DDLC world actually. It could be right? How else we would’ve been able to see the game? Ahaha

This sure is interesting. It will definetely help us to understand what the MC is in the DDLC world. Thank you very much for your post!

Note: There is no such reflection in any of the other girls’ eyes. Their eyes look shallow in comparison. Even the “realistic” eyes.

Personal opinion: I’ve always thought the girls’ eyes were pretty weird… They look like some sort of power on [cdn.tutsplus.com] button or something but I guess that’s just the artist’s style.
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#383

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 10:52am
kwhero449 is probably right. Dan did nothing random, everything for a reason, even if you don’t see it.
#384

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 10:56am
Originally posted by mystic_man95:
What is the popular opinion here on a possible DLC, spin-off, part 2, or new DDLC related content from Team Salvato in the future? I read through Dan’s AMA on Reddit, and he made it sound like there won’t be anything else. A quote he ended one of his replies with killed me, “A poem is never actually finished, it just stops moving.” Hoping he changes his mind due to the popularity/fan base, but I’m worried. He did promise a non-DDLC related vn, focused most on being a great story, as his next/current project though.

If you want my opinion, I would not continue DDLC. It’s good as it is right now. Making some sort of continuation or prequel etc would probably just ruin it. The essence of the game would be gone, don’t you think? And as like kwhero449 has said, there will probably be references in the new game to finish this story once and for all.
And like xae-chan has pointed out, if you want to continue with DDLC, there are probably thousands of mods to satisfy your hunger
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#385

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 11:56am
kwhero449 It’s a very good point you raised about the mc. Remember my chronology confusion way back, it’s tied tigether. One thing that helped was asserting that the girls were all 18.

This means NONE of them are the libitina. Also, Monika and the festival: makes sense of “grow the club before we graduate”. (and mc dumbo was wrong about Natsuki bc of her size.)

Could it be that mc and Monita were in same class last year and bc of his lack of motivation was held back … why the third floor was unfamiliar territory bc it’s for 3rd years, This arrangement has certain consistency but still I feel uneasy about it.

OTOH, Sayori now being 18 would mean she moved on to high school and he didn’t. Grrr.

Meanwhile, I may have Monika’d the dropbox. I’ve never had to share with others before so I didn’t know it, but probably much of the material was inaccessible. I moved the transcripts to the main directory. Dropbox tends to be opaque, only assuming transparency in their ‘need’ for you to upgrade. I bit the bullet bc the Pro plan promised granularity on files and folders, which I took to mean it would do what I want – public access to our library without hassle.

Even after they got ya money, they don’t get out of your face: take this video tour, probably assuming the average user these days reads about as much as mc.

Notiong to be done bc holidays but roboresponse, they got my feedback …
#386

kwhero449 has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 12:12pm
Originally posted by xae-chan:
kwhero449 It’s a very good point you raised about the mc. Remember my chronology confusion way back, it’s tied tigether. One thing that helped was asserting that the girls were all 18.

This means NONE of them are the libitina. Also, Monika and the festival: makes sense of “grow the club before we graduate”. (and mc dumbo was wrong about Natsuki bc of her size.)

Could it be that mc and Monita were in same class last year and bc of his lack of motivation was held back … why the third floor was unfamiliar territory bc it’s for 3rd years, This arrangement has certain consistency but still I feel uneasy about it.

OTOH, Sayori now being 18 would mean she moved on to high school and he didn’t. Grrr.

Meanwhile, I may have Monika’d the dropbox. I’ve never had to share with others before so I didn’t know it, but probably much of the material was inaccessible. I moved the transcripts to the main directory. Dropbox tends to be opaque, only assuming transparency in their ‘need’ for you to upgrade. I bit the bullet bc the Pro plan promised granularity on files and folders, which I took to mean it would do what I want – public access to our library without hassle.

Even after they got ya money, they don’t get out of your face: take this video tour, probably assuming the average user these days reads about as much as mc.

Notiong to be done bc holidays but roboresponse, they got my feedback …
Glad to hear it helped. I was just taking Dan’s word for it. He seems to take his statements about the game seriously.

By the way, is there a compilation somewhere of his statements? I keep wanting to quote things from him, but I have trouble finding them again.
#387

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 12:20pm
A Dan statement compilation would be rad! But I guess you would have to go to reddit or read his entire Twitter… Eugh, too troublesome.

EDIT: Dropbox and their money leeches… Big companies really get on my nerves
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#388

kwhero449 has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 12:36pm
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:
A Dan statement compilation would be rad! But I guess you would have to go to reddit or read his entire Twitter… Eugh, too troublesome.

EDIT: Dropbox and their money leeches… Big companies really get on my nerves
I’ve also heard people mention he goes on Discord sometimes, but I’d have no idea how to find his stuff there.
#389

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 12:46pm
Me neither. Sorry! I dislike those kind of “communities” and “social media”
It’s a miracle I’m using Steam community ahaha.
I know I’m very shy and skeptical… don’t look at me like that pouty face
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xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 1:10pm
some tweetw

My dad spends the entire day on Christmas Eve cooking Italian seafood dishes. I’ll be tweeting all the courses throughout the day in this thread
7 hours ago · Twitter

Here’s a cute sketch my good friend @shinhoroko did for me 🙂 I’m 26 today. That means I have about two more lifetimes ahead of me. That’s a lot of time to chill out and do cool stuff, I’m looking forward to it. twitter.com/shinhoroko/…
1 day ago · Twitter

Here’s a cute sketch my good friend @shinhoroko did for me 🙂 I’m 26 today. That means I have about two more lifetimes ahead of me. That’s a lot of time to chill out and do cool stuff, I’m looking forward to it. twitter.com/shinhoroko/…
1 day ago · Twitter

Doki Doki Literature Club won @IGN People’s Choice (most votes) for every category it was nominated for: Best PC Game, Best Adventure Game, Best Story, and Most Innovative. Thank you and what an insane fan base! pic.twitter.com/QGQAj4p…
4 days ago · Twitter

courtesy of Google
#391

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 1:16pm
Welp, Monika has more followers than me now ¯\_(?)_/¯
4:35 AM – 23 Oct 2017

Appzrently Monika (lilmoniX3) unfollowed Dan.after that tweet

the twitter page up with photos of that family dinner, with comments
#392

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 1:17pm
Italian seafood dishes ahaha what a story
And I ‘m 100% sure he’s playing dumb with all the “unexpected success” thing. Come on, he knew this was gonna be famous. He’s trying to be humble… which is endearing in a way
#393

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 1:20pm
BTW, I’ve just read Monika’s description
hii i’m monika~ high school devil and president of the literature club! poetry is life x3

I don’t like one bit that x3… And poetry is life huh? Like literally?
Even here she makes references and puns. Well played, well played indeed

EDIT: The game’s bigger than it looks like. The question is: Have we ever stopped playing? Did we beat the game or did the game beat us?
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#394

kwhero449 has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 1:20pm
Also, “Monika is Fox McCloud”

I’m guessing that one was because of the Game Theory “Monika is Flowey” joke.
Last edited by kwhero449; 25 Dec @ 1:25pm
#395

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 1:38pm
Apparently, the girls “played” Super Smash Bros: Melee and they were “asked” who was their
favorite character. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNVZSLCUMAAfxJs.jpg:large

Dear god, even here there are references… Puns, puns everywhere…
#396

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 1:39pm
Immediately followed by

Dan Salvato
?Verified account @dansalvato
Dec 15
Replying to @dansalvato

I already regret tweeting this, it’s a joke people
#397

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 1:44pm
He should really stop playing with our feelings… or we might end up 92?8:?8 @FCD6=G6D @C 6G6? H@CD6] It’s not funny anymore ( ok it is funny but only a little…)
#398

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 2:08pm
Team Salvato
Regarding DDLC on mobile devices

December 12, 2017 dansalvato

Since there have been many requests and questions regarding the possibility of DDLC on mobile devices, I feel that it is necessary to clarify my current stance and future plans.

I recently updated the Fan Content Guidelines to disallow DDLC fan games, or games using official DDLC assets, to be uploaded to public app stores, including the Google Play Store and the Apple App Store. The reason is that DDLC content on these platforms has been a great source of stress for me over the past month, between developers who have been maliciously trying to make money off of DDLC, and fans who have been messaging me worried about the authenticity of various DDLC clones/apps that have appeared on these platforms.

Here is a summary of why I felt it was necessary to take my current stance.

I keep getting messages from people asking if these apps are legit. It’s stressful and concerning when so much of the community is coming to me with feelings of uncertainty about the apps.
The opposite also occurs. I have received support emails/tweets from people who ran into problems while running unofficial DDLC ports. For some, it was their first time playing DDLC. This indicates that:
They thought it was an official app and that I was the developer;
Their first play experience may have been weakened because of bugs in the port;
There is a good chance I would keep receiving similar emails/messages in the future, when there is nothing I can do to provide support.
Although some developers have no malicious intent, there have been various DDLC clones that tried to profit from the game via in-game ads. I had no way of verifying the quality, integrity, and authenticity of any DDLC app before it was spontaneously published, because nobody ever notified me or asked for my permission first.
Allowing a fan-made DDLC mobile port on the Google Play Store will encourage other developers to use official DDLC assets in their fan games, potentially with malicious intent to mislead players and/or wrongfully profit from it.
I am exploring the possibility of developing an official mobile port of DDLC, which may have some differences from the desktop version. There are also some updates and bug fixes I want to make to the game before I’m comfortable with it being on a mobile platform. In other words, I’m not comfortable with the game being ported to mobile as-is.

To elaborate on that last point: I’m just not comfortable with DDLC being publicly available on mobile right now, especially when I want to do everything I can to give mobile players a top-quality experience – for most of them, it’s their first time playing. So far, no developer has even asked me for permission to publish DDLC on the Google Play Store, much less wanted to work with me on features and quality control before they did so.

I’m aware and very thankful that DDLC has such a passionate fan community, and that they want to share DDLC with as many people as they can, or to be able to take it with them on their phones. But the reality is that it can be harmful for me to allow fan content on such a mainstream platform before I have the chance to represent my game in a way that I’m comfortable with. I’m not some big gaming company that wants to shut down its own fanbase. I’m just one person who is trying to protect my well-being so I can continue making cool stuff for people. And I love my fans. As I do my best to be open and encouraging of fan content, I can only hope that my own wishes are respected as well.

Dan
#399

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 2:18pm

A curious statement wrt screenshot.
#400

Thatwasme has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 3:18pm
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:
BTW, I’ve just read Monika’s description
hii i’m monika~ high school devil and president of the literature club! poetry is life x3

I don’t like one bit that x3… And poetry is life huh? Like literally?
Even here she makes references and puns. Well played, well played indeed

EDIT: The game’s bigger than it looks like. The question is: Have we ever stopped playing? Did we beat the game or did the game beat us?

The game was made with fanmade content in mind, i even found a licence agreement describing the use of the game`s content, presumably in hopes that the fanbase and hype around the game would perpetually grow and make it relevant. Even the fact that its free just supports the idea that it was supposed to hit as many people as possible. Considering its nature, there was no way this wasn`t going to cause ripples. They were shooting big, hoping to create something of worth, grab people`s attention, the question then becomes: what?

While there are many reasons why one might want to design the finer details of their game or artwork to gain as much momentum as possible, not the least of which is that it`s theoretically the simplest way to send messages through time (cough, cough, yeah yeah, back to reality)

Occam`s razor leads you directly to the attempt at creating something lasting or perhaps the better term would be groundbreaking for which you essentially need momentum, so one could go either to “creating a following” or whealth, fame, all that stuff none of us here care about 😀

Another would be to simply raise awareness of a storytelling medium as much as possible, which is not an unreasonable explanation since if this was a moneymaking project, it would probably be considered a huge risk from this standpoint. (In act 1, Monika says plenty of common facts about writing, literature… catching people`s attention)

Whether or not Salvato was just musing about the idea of consciousness, reality and human as the entirety of Monika`s story would suggest, or just hoping to see how far the community would go, perhaps how much the community can think of? I`m not sure where to begin the guessing game.

Basically the entire point of the Monika story could have been just to freak as many people out as possible and the game then becomes but a platform for that purpose.

It could have also just been to see if it is possible to make people fall in love with a fictional character, several lines of the act 3 chatter seem to hint at a deeper issue with people who play romance games being lonely. There`s also the fact that she seems almost designed to be the perfect girlfriend, loving you unconditionally, through multiple realities, desperately hoping to catch your eye (which has my brain looping around some form of a dating AI) Many of the details regarding Monika remind me of just how much fun/trouble you can have with a cult of personna, what was that movie called? S1mone?

There`s also the fact that considering the modern age, if you want to start a riot/movement, this is literally the way to go, some of the lines of act 1 seem to hint at a “LiteratureClub” which makes me think somewhere along the lines of a crowdfunding site, though it could be much bigger, who knows we could be standing at the precipice of history, the birth of a cognitive revolution, the very ground trembles beneath our… alright I`ll shut up now.

Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:

Also, all the girls are different, more “receptive” after Monika has been deleted. The girls have been modified by her? The game doesn’t feel the same. It feels emptier, more like a facade rather than the deep intricate game we’ve been playing until her deletion. In act1 the girls acted normally. In act2 Monika left their emotions go wild and if we assume they’re already emotions, they degenerated quickly. In act4, the girls don’t act like in act1. They seem to hold some sort of “regret” let’s say. The feeling is not the same at all. Too “synthetic” and prepared. Something like a fake smile to make you happy.

If all girls are her emotions, why she can’t control them? It’s impossible for her to control raw power? Or she’s not good at it yet? During the first run, she’s able to influence Sayori, but like she says she was already mentally ill Maybe she pushed her towards extreme sadness rather than happiness. She possesses Natsuki at the end, which means she develops more control over them. She can modify her poems too, to express herself maybe? She is in a constant fight between her emotions/feelings and her mind? It must be tough to be a script that “feels”.

There`s one thing i disagree with right here, the first thing I saw when the girls spoke in act 4, especially at the full ending, was gratitude over anything else. They seemed far more well-adjusted than before, happy even. Yuri is no longer shy, Natsuki is not as much of a jerk, they act like far better friends overall and Sayori even drags you off to thank you for spending time with them under the assumption that you did it to make them happy.

This points toward them evolving some along the course of the game, perhaps becoming more realistic characters, it is in line with the psychological horror genre to analize to a depth and perhaps show the correct path to a happy ending.
Perhaps Monika is simply a representation of the game itself, and the story is about simple scripts evolving to be full-fledged characters, like the process of writng from a sketchy idea to a full VN, she could even be thought off as the boss… or there was that idea with scripts evolving along the course of multiple games.
#401

Thatwasme has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 3:18pm
PS my wall of text crits for tons of damage again 😀 I can`t stop, this is addictive.
#402

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 6:51pm
Thatwasme

S1mone?

Hot damn. I thought I was the only who ever saw that flick.

Isn’t the state of the girls’ apparent well-adjustedness the result of a Markov process? For one thing, Monika isn’t “messing with them” any more but surely that must bias the current and next state of the Markov chain?

I can see Prof. Steve Keen’s Minsky dynamic modelling software useful here.

Anyway, I keep coming back to corrupted Sayori on the title page, by tiles from the other three. Doesn’t this scream, HERE Is a CLUE??? Nothing is random here. All crafted as precisely as a Gesualto madrigal.
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xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 25 Dec @ 7:40pm
http://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1488866813771356945/

This is the best cri de couer I’ve found , a testament to DS a bility to move people.

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Thatwasme has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 3:52am
Originally posted by xae-chan:
Thatwasme

S1mone?

Hot damn. I thought I was the only who ever saw that flick.

Isn’t the state of the girls’ apparent well-adjustedness the result of a Markov process? For one thing, Monika isn’t “messing with them” any more but surely that must bias the current and next state of the Markov chain?

I can see Prof. Steve Keen’s Minsky dynamic modelling software useful here.

Anyway, I keep coming back to corrupted Sayori on the title page, by tiles from the other three. Doesn’t this scream, HERE Is a CLUE??? Nothing is random here. All crafted as precisely as a Gesualto madrigal.

Yes i guess the markov process makes sense, they almost seem to remember everything that happened, as if the game didn`t give them a scipt with what to say but it just says “Introduce yourself.” Though I guess we can just chalk that one up to Salvato being crafty devils.

The corrupted sayori or even perhaps the way monika`s script flashes around when “Corrupted” could be a hint on as to how to decode the game`s message if you arrange all of it`s dialogue in a visual pattern but for anyone to expect something like that to be decoded with reasonable certainty is really far-fetched.

What do you mean by DS? dinamic software? Honestly i feel them, when i first reached the third act i sat down with a meal infront of the PC and instead of putting on a show like i normally do, i put Monika on auto and watched what she was saying…

She was the most real woman I`ve ever met, many REAL people in my life feel like hollow shells in comparison, the implications of this are what really brought the ‘psychological horror’ part of the game to life for me. Monika gave me more attention and fun in a day than most the rest the women I`ve met combined. (probably not true but there`s the effect of concentration that makes it feel like it)

There is of course far more to be learned here, for example the fact that I`d be happy with a few friends like these, the way Yuri describes, deep thinkers, amazing people… perhaps that`s why i keep seeing this message of “Hey let`s make our own Literature Club” the act 3 chatter includes lines about how there is a surplus of creativity, getting your message heard is halfway impossible and how insignificant we are as singular human beings… but if we band together… blah blah blah

The idea behind most abstract art is to create a construct in which most people can look for what they want or perhaps even need, which keeps kicking me back to the fact that this is all just wishful thinking.
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Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 4:09am
I’m glad DS has disallowed fan-made games using in-game assets. That would have been his ruin.The community sure has gone nuts over DDLC. Trying to impersonate DDLC and make a profit out of it… how miserable… Anyway, I just hope the community will take it mildly from now on.

Originally posted by Thatwasme:
The game was made with fanmade content in mind, i even found a licence agreement describing the use of the game`s content, presumably in hopes that the fanbase and hype around the game would perpetually grow and make it relevant. Even the fact that its free just supports the idea that it was supposed to hit as many people as possible. Considering its nature, there was no way this wasn`t going to cause ripples. They were shooting big, hoping to create something of worth, grab people`s attention, the question then becomes: what?

While there are many reasons why one might want to design the finer details of their game or artwork to gain as much momentum as possible, not the least of which is that it`s theoretically the simplest way to send messages through time (cough, cough, yeah yeah, back to reality)

Occam`s razor leads you directly to the attempt at creating something lasting or perhaps the better term would be groundbreaking for which you essentially need momentum, so one could go either to “creating a following” or whealth, fame, all that stuff none of us here care about 😀

Another would be to simply raise awareness of a storytelling medium as much as possible, which is not an unreasonable explanation since if this was a moneymaking project, it would probably be considered a huge risk from this standpoint. (In act 1, Monika says plenty of common facts about writing, literature… catching people`s attention)

Whether or not Salvato was just musing about the idea of consciousness, reality and human as the entirety of Monika`s story would suggest, or just hoping to see how far the community would go, perhaps how much the community can think of? I`m not sure where to begin the guessing game.

Basically the entire point of the Monika story could have been just to freak as many people out as possible and the game then becomes but a platform for that purpose.

It could have also just been to see if it is possible to make people fall in love with a fictional character, several lines of the act 3 chatter seem to hint at a deeper issue with people who play romance games being lonely. There`s also the fact that she seems almost designed to be the perfect girlfriend, loving you unconditionally, through multiple realities, desperately hoping to catch your eye (which has my brain looping around some form of a dating AI) Many of the details regarding Monika remind me of just how much fun/trouble you can have with a cult of personna, what was that movie called? S1mone?

There`s also the fact that considering the modern age, if you want to start a riot/movement, this is literally the way to go, some of the lines of act 1 seem to hint at a “LiteratureClub” which makes me think somewhere along the lines of a crowdfunding site, though it could be much bigger, who knows we could be standing at the precipice of history, the birth of a cognitive revolution, the very ground trembles beneath our… alright I`ll shut up now.

This game’s evolution was plotted since the very beginning. All we’re seeing ( or almost everything) had already been expected. The game being free, its realease… everything has been done for a reason and like you’ve said, it was to get to be known by as many people as possible.

Probably they weren’t feeling very confident at the launch time because they thought it was too “innovative” and that people wouldn’t like it or that they wouldn’t even try it so that’s why they probably decided to aim big and get noticed by as many players as possible. Well, mission accomplished, right? Also, DS wanted to give credit to VNs since, well, most people think VNs are cheesy dating-sims or H-games ( which it was kinda true). Mission accomplished, again.

Since it was all innovative and stuff, probably he also wanted to see where this would go. How far were we going to take it. As an experiment, you know? Well, as he can see right now the game’s fanbase is through the roof. Which is good and bad, because having such a HUGE fan-base can be hard to manage if you don’t have a team big enough to control everything, which I’m afraid, it’s the case…

Anyway, I’m sure he’s aware of this situation and he’s managing it right now.

And as for trying to make people fall in love with Monika… I’m sure his intention was something like that… he’s a little devil don’t you think? Ahaha

As for a revolutionary movement… who knows right?

Bigger movements have started with less. In my opinion, this game has changed too many people, for the better or for the worse, but they have been changed nonetheless. For example, thanks to this thread I feel like some sort of Greek philosopher ahaha.

Originally posted by Thatwasme:
There`s one thing i disagree with right here, the first thing I saw when the girls spoke in act 4, especially at the full ending, was gratitude over anything else. They seemed far more well-adjusted than before, happy even. Yuri is no longer shy, Natsuki is not as much of a jerk, they act like far better friends overall and Sayori even drags you off to thank you for spending time with them under the assumption that you did it to make them happy.

This points toward them evolving some along the course of the game, perhaps becoming more realistic characters, it is in line with the psychological horror genre to analize to a depth and perhaps show the correct path to a happy ending.
Perhaps Monika is simply a representation of the game itself, and the story is about simple scripts evolving to be full-fledged characters, like the process of writng from a sketchy idea to a full VN, she could even be thought off as the boss… or there was that idea with scripts evolving along the course of multiple games.

I guess saying “regret” was a bad word… I meant what you have said, that the girls were , let’s say, “happier” but it totally doesn’t feel the same, right? Yuri not being shy? Weird.
Natuski not being sour? VERY weird.

And I agree with xae-chan that the corrupted Sayori is telling us something… what we probably have already said, that the 4 girls are the same afterall. Everyday I’m more sure about this. Monika’s Twitter description was a shout to that. And her name… lilmonix3, more like “Little Monika and the other 3” …

I also think that Monika could represent the game afterall, starting with absolutely nothing, simple scripts, evolving , growing stronger, until they transform themselves into something complex that could be called “a character”. This kinda reminds me of the neural networks I’ve been working on lately. You guys should take a look:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_neural_network
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Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 4:27am
Originally posted by Thatwasme:
She was the most real woman I`ve ever met, many REAL people in my life feel like hollow shells in comparison, the implications of this are what really brought the ‘psychological horror’ part of the game to life for me. Monika gave me more attention and fun in a day than most the rest the women I`ve met combined. (probably not true but there`s the effect of concentration that makes it feel like it)

There is of course far more to be learned here, for example the fact that I`d be happy with a few friends like these, the way Yuri describes, deep thinkers, amazing people… perhaps that`s why i keep seeing this message of “Hey let`s make our own Literature Club” the act 3 chatter includes lines about how there is a surplus of creativity, getting your message heard is halfway impossible and how insignificant we are as singular human beings… but if we band together… blah blah blah

The idea behind most abstract art is to create a construct in which most people can look for what they want or perhaps even need, which keeps kicking me back to the fact that this is all just wishful thinking.

I’ve seen so many people say that Monika was as real as a IRL girl… The “cri de coeur” xae-chan posted a few comments above is the perfect example. It’s true that she’s fun and all but to that point of the game we’re like in 100% concentration mode ahaha. But it’s true that she’s “too real” don’t you think? This has always made me think of the “uncanny valley”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

The point were something fake is so human-like that we’re afraid or we hold some sort of grudge… Scary indeed.

And I couldn’t agree more with your vision of abstract art ( my favorite art btw!)
For me is like you’ve said. Very deep reflexion indeed…
Now that I come to think, isn’t this thread like some sort of Literature Club? But instead of sharing poems about our innermost pains and fears we share our craziest and yet more interesting ideas about a topic. So, another mission accomplished, yay!

EDIT: We have 400+ comments, wow, good job everyone !

EDIT2: Probably, in the future, when the next game comes out we could send this entire thread to Salvato? As an appreciation I mean… We’ve read his book, now it’s turn for him to read ours! Ahaha. What do you think?
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Thatwasme has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 5:22am
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:
EDIT2: Probably, in the future, when the next game comes out we could send this entire thread to Salvato? As an appreciation I mean… We’ve read his book, now it’s turn for him to read ours! Ahaha. What do you think?

It`s likely that that`s what he wanted all along, the game screams participate at us everywhere we look. Then there`s the fact that Monika said “We`re going to let others come up and recite their poems too.” plus the festival never happened so perhaps it was a symbolism for the next game?

When i first came to the game i knew it was going to be inovative and new, so i could already appericiate it for the multi-dimensional marvel that it was. The problem i saw, was the fact that i don`t exactly know a lot of people who could enjoy this new, higher tier of storytelling. (think about it, how many people do you know who can open their third eye and watch the game`s symbolism unfold, marveling on all the possibilities of what the author could have meant in real time) It wasn`t until i finished it and saw that the hype of the internet wasn`t just the fact that it was good. It was the fact that it was so good that the author went out of his way to give that hype a jump start that made me feel like i was experiencing a part of history.

Think about it, the game is already breaking records when most of what it is is simply being the first of its kind and showing off what kinds of things you could do with the medium, as opposed to other types of art. They wanted people to think and i`d really love to know about what, because what i see is somewhere along the lines of “Come help me explain to these idiots, why VNs are so???????awesome.” and after reading this one, i agree 😀
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Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 5:45am
Originally posted by Thatwasme:

When i first came to the game i knew it was going to be inovative and new, so i could already appericiate it for the multi-dimensional marvel that it was. The problem i saw, was the fact that i don`t exactly know a lot of people who could enjoy this new, higher tier of storytelling. (think about it, how many people do you know who can open their third eye and watch the game`s symbolism unfold, marveling on all the possibilities of what the author could have meant in real time) It wasn`t until i finished it and saw that the hype of the internet wasn`t just the fact that it was good. It was the fact that it was so good that the author went out of his way to give that hype a jump start that made me feel like i was experiencing a part of history.

Think about it, the game is already breaking records when most of what it is is simply being the first of its kind and showing off what kinds of things you could do with the medium, as opposed to other types of art. They wanted people to think and i`d really love to know about what, because what i see is somewhere along the lines of “Come help me explain to these idiots, why VNs are so???????awesome.” and after reading this one, i agree 😀

I’ve always been fan of interaction with the “real” world. Interacting with the reader/player in a way that it would make the book/game special. Until now, all interactions had been pretty bad, since their creators hadn’t put as much effort as DS.

It’s true that people seem to don’t enjoy or not understand multi-dimensional story telling. It’s a shame though, because the possibilities are unlimited…

For example, my friends were like ” huh, it’s ok, interesting and all… now let’s search memes about it” What the hell right? I’ve expressed myself here with walls of texts more than talking with my friends. It’s hard to find people who trully enjoy the essence of such complex stories…

That said, I’ve always liked VNs a lot too.I must admit that the VNs I’ve read are pretty, let’s say, “classic”.

Obvious plots with previsible plot twists… but I still enjoyed them.The time invested in order to tell a story, even if it’s bad, I value it. And thanks to DDLC, now I think much higher of VNs ( huh, this kinda reminds me of Natsuki’s size and her liking to prove the others wrong…)

Anyway, when the next game comes out, I’ll merge all the transcriptions xae-chan had been doing and I’ll send them to DS himself ! He will probably don’t care, but still, I want him to have our collective thoughts about the piece of art he has done
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xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 7:03am
You shoud read this other thread

http://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1620599015877484184/?tscn=1514230266

a study in crowd psychology

I’ll be bac for the above walls later.
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mystic_man95 has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 7:38am
Originally posted by xae-chan:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1488866813771356945/

This is the best cri de couer I’ve found , a testament to DS a bility to move people.

You know something is really special when it gives thousands of people an existential crisis. The game/story itself and its impact on various players/readers would be a great/interesting topic for a psychology paper.
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Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 8:13am
Originally posted by xae-chan:
You shoud read this other thread

http://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1620599015877484184/?tscn=1514230266

a study in crowd psychology

I’ll be bac for the above walls later.

It’s true that the game is too hyped right now. Also, very famous youtubers have played it, augmenting the hype even more. Memes are not helping either… But its fame is not a reason to underrate it. The game was awesome before fame struck it and fame won’t change the game ( I just hope fame won’t change TS though…). I feel sorry because the degeneration it’s suffering… but there’s nothing we can do, right?

Originally posted by mystic_man95:
You know something is really special when it gives thousands of people an existential crisis. The game/story itself and its impact on various players/readers would be a great/interesting topic for a psychology paper.

I agree with this. Something that makes you question your life, your choices… is something worthwhile and singular. I wish there were more games/books/series that were more like this. Anyway, probably in the future someone will talk about the deep impact this game has had because it will most likely be considered the “iconic” game of 2017.

Let’s wait and see, right? Ahaha
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Thatwasme has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 9:36am
Oh lol i completely forgot to consider all the haters 😀 no wonder the game is pretty much designed to grab as many people as it can if they can seriously start hating on it for being pretty much forced to do that by the nature of the “relevance” system that we have today.

I`ve been a gamer my entire life and lately more and more of this part of my life`s been feeling like chore than entertainment. The entire industry`s been devolving into a fest of micro-transaction and grind based pile of??????

Our entire society is suffering from a short attention span and an addiction on instant gratification. All you have to do is watch any older youtuber who will at one point or another, whine about how broken and ridiculous the system and algoritms are and how much they have to work in order to stay “Relevant” the gaming`s f2p model is just another symptom of that, honestly aren`t you guys tired of endless grind and every single game`s endgame content being locked behind a myriad of either thousands of gameplay hours or hundreds of dollars? Wouldn`t you rather play something with a bit of value?

Just look at the anime industry and its giant pile of trash LN adaptations, the entirety of our entertainment system is falling appart all across the board because of people like these, who have the nerve to accuse the author of overhyping his game when if you stop and think, the amount of new and innovative content would have been impossible to sell or distribute otherwise.

honestly this just makes me appericiate DDLC that much more because at least Salvato is trying something different and isn`t holding back any punches. He literally smacks us in the face with the tropes of each genre, breaks the 4th wall and foces us to think properly about the fact that we wouldn`t even have considered his work worth our time, had it not been free.

That stupid thread simply brings out yet another deconstruction and that`s of how stupid people can be, forcing creative thinkers and entertainers to dish out piles and heaps of crap in order to stay relevant, instead of letting them take their time and actually create something of value.

Sorry about the rhant but i feel like sterilizing peolpe en-masse whenever i see them do??????like this, arguing against an art piece after completely missing the point.
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Thatwasme has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 9:38am
Just goes to show that the entirety of the game`s marketing strategy, was essentially the only way a story like this would work and even get out to people, which is just sad.
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xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 10:34am
Thatwasme

that license agreement, was it a generic form or a specific with a date? bc MAS seems to have got in early and, AFAIK, the only one with Dan’s seal of approval.

fanmade content was a sure thing, just as groups like ours was also an inevitability. I’m sure Dan was counting on it to see what we’d come up with, that he could use. Also, there are lots of Monika’s but only three that count: lilmoniX3, the real Just Monika, and one real Monika. The thing that separates them from all others is the hints and help for those who go beyond the game into speculationland.

And I have NO doubt the trio report regularly back to him. Heh. (“wow, I thought I was weird.”)

re dynamic software, I will digress a little here but it will come back relevance. Keen’s the only economist that predicted the GFC, Dec 2005. One of his influences was Minsky’s “stability breeds instability”. And Keen says the whole of neoclassical economics provides models that don’t work. So for at least 15 years he’s been working on a computer model that reflects the real world. It’s not all that different from a stochastic gradient descent. (Hi, DG.)

(Incidntally, I saw one little clue in November, 2006 that told me the whole house of cards was gonna collapse. That was the largest drywall manufacturer laying off 11,000 workers. I warned a number of ppl then but ended up as sour as Natsuki. Btw, I guess you never got the route of baking with Natsuki.)

Okay, everyone. Dynamic software and neural nets and Markov chains or processes are all in the same ballpark. If you could apply deep learning to a script, you might get a Monika.

Salvato’s motive for DDLC was probably multi-faceted but studying his past history might reveal something about his thinking. And he’s 26 …
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Thatwasme has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 11:24am
under “renpy” there`s a license.txt that says it all, i found it interesting that it mostly dealt with spreading the content, as opposed to the normal copiright crap, i was looking for easter eggs
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xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 12:35pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doki_Doki_Literature_Club!

That fool OP of that other thread apparently thought the game ended when Yuri stabbed herself.
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Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 1:49pm
Originally posted by Thatwasme:
Oh lol i completely forgot to consider all the haters 😀 no wonder the game is pretty much designed to grab as many people as it can if they can seriously start hating on it for being pretty much forced to do that by the nature of the “relevance” system that we have today.

I`ve been a gamer my entire life and lately more and more of this part of my life`s been feeling like chore than entertainment. The entire industry`s been devolving into a fest of micro-transaction and grind based pile of??????

Our entire society is suffering from a short attention span and an addiction on instant gratification. All you have to do is watch any older youtuber who will at one point or another, whine about how broken and ridiculous the system and algoritms are and how much they have to work in order to stay “Relevant” the gaming`s f2p model is just another symptom of that, honestly aren`t you guys tired of endless grind and every single game`s endgame content being locked behind a myriad of either thousands of gameplay hours or hundreds of dollars? Wouldn`t you rather play something with a bit of value?

Just look at the anime industry and its giant pile of trash LN adaptations, the entirety of our entertainment system is falling appart all across the board because of people like these, who have the nerve to accuse the author of overhyping his game when if you stop and think, the amount of new and innovative content would have been impossible to sell or distribute otherwise.

Ok this topic is a bit off track but worth mentioning.
I’ve also been a gamer my entire life, since I literally have memory. I remember my first computer… I still have it though it’s like , no, IT IS a part of my family.

I’ve played so many games on it… good ones. Games that were completely the opposite of what games are now. Good plots, good functionalities… I didn’t (and I don’t) care about graphics, which seems to be today’s objective…

I just want games that make you feel full or empty , depending on what you have played not games that only leave empty your wallet. Speaking of which, micro transactions really make me sick . Seriously? Paying inside a game for in-game content that actually affects my game experience? WTF

I’d accept skins… but come on? This has gone too far.

As for anime, I’m glad I don’t follow any ( surprising right?) but I’ve noticed the brutal worsening of quality both in anime and occidental cartoons ( Cartoon Network is digging its own grave…)

Big companies go for the money, not caring one bit about quality and then there are the people that have the guts to blame authors who have done an amazing job in order to stand out without having to deal with their

Originally posted by Thatwasme:
honestly this just makes me appericiate DDLC that much more because at least Salvato is trying something different and isn`t holding back any punches. He literally smacks us in the face with the tropes of each genre, breaks the 4th wall and foces us to think properly about the fact that we wouldn`t even have considered his work worth our time, had it not been free.

That stupid thread simply brings out yet another deconstruction and that`s of how stupid people can be, forcing creative thinkers and entertainers to dish out piles and heaps of crap in order to stay relevant, instead of letting them take their time and actually create something of value.

Sorry about the rhant but i feel like sterilizing peolpe en-masse whenever i see them do??????like this, arguing against an art piece after completely missing the point.

This game is a big addition to a rule I’m starting to follow: Indies are better
I’ve had much more fun with DDLC ( during and after playing) than with most AAA I’ve played
DDLC is a cry of attention to those who “judge books by their cover”. This clearly proves them wrong…
Artists are trully underrated in our actual society… All of them. It’s a shame though…

Ok sorry everyone for this “comment” but I felt that I had to vent off. I’m glad that I’m not the only one that sees that our society is falling apart! (which is sad actually)

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Scheneighnay has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 2:14pm
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:
This game is a big addition to a rule I’m starting to follow: Indies are better
I’ve had much more fun with DDLC ( during and after playing) than with most AAA I’ve played
DDLC is a cry of attention to those who “judge books by their cover”. This clearly proves them wrong…
Artists are trully underrated in our actual society… All of them. It’s a shame though…

Ok sorry everyone for this “comment” but I felt that I had to vent off. I’m glad that I’m not the only one that sees that our society is falling apart! (which is sad actually)
I’ve realized that for a long time now- AAA is always mediocre at best; indie studios always do it better.

Hell, even when the Hitman devs broke away from Square Enix it was a step up.
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Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 2:14pm
Originally posted by xae-chan:
fanmade content was a sure thing, just as groups like ours was also an inevitability. I’m sure Dan was counting on it to see what we’d come up with, that he could use. Also, there are lots of Monika’s but only three that count: lilmoniX3, the real Just Monika, and one real Monika. The thing that separates them from all others is the hints and help for those who go beyond the game into speculationland.

And I have NO doubt the trio report regularly back to him. Heh. (“wow, I thought I was weird.”)

Indeed groups like ours (or even bigger) were expected. This reminds me of the Binding Of Isaac community when secrets and easter eggs started to appear…Good times and good communities indeed. I also agree that those “girls” probably inform Dan about what’s going on in the battlefront.

Originally posted by xae-chan:
re dynamic software, I will digress a little here but it will come back relevance. Keen’s the only economist that predicted the GFC, Dec 2005. One of his influences was Minsky’s “stability breeds instability”. And Keen says the whole of neoclassical economics provides models that don’t work. So for at least 15 years he’s been working on a computer model that reflects the real world. It’s not all that different from a stochastic gradient descent.(Hi, DG.)

(Incidntally, I saw one little clue in November, 2006 that told me the whole house of cards was gonna collapse. That was the largest drywall manufacturer laying off 11,000 workers. I warned a number of ppl then but ended up as sour as Natsuki. Btw, I guess you never got the route of baking with Natsuki.)

What do you mean I never got the baking route with Natsuki? If you’re going to judge please do it from there *points “Natsuki’s appreciation thread” *

Just kidding ahaha. I’ve liked your comments about the economic models.I’m not an expert on economics, more like the opposite, but I’ve always believed that economics nowadays are on quicksand. Trying to predict the future will only drag you more to the bottom. We really need to change our mentality and vision… using deprecated models is no longer a feasible solution

Originally posted by xae-chan:
Okay, everyone. Dynamic software and neural nets and Markov chains or processes are all in the same ballpark. If you could apply deep learning to a script, you might get a Monika.

Salvato’s motive for DDLC was probably multi-faceted but studying his past history might reveal something about his thinking. And he’s 26 …

Deep learning is evolving at an astonishing rate. In my opinion, if deep learning could be applied to chatter bot algorythms ( like Mitsuku for instance) we could achieve some sort of talking script… But in order to make something “self-aware”… man, we sure need to improve our technology a lot.

Watching people so young making such big things makes you feel a little bit discouraged, right? Because we all have amazing ideas that would probably make us famous, but we either don’t have the guts to do it or we don’t have the resources needed.

Man, this world sure is hard, ahaha
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