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kwhero449 has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 3:20pm
So today, I’ve been thinking about Act 4. To me, it also shows Monika’s control over the script. For no particular reason, everything in Act 4 goes perfectly smoothly, completely changed from Act 1. Sayori isn’t depressed, MC is happy to join the club of his own free will, Yuri and Natsuki are getting along. Stuff that didn’t happen naturally. That is, until Sayori derails it. It just makes me wonder, what if Sayori got that power not from being president of the club, but because she got that trait from Monika going by our “club members are parts of her” theory. But then, why would she only awaken this power now? Maybe because she’s always had it.

In Act 1, Monika had to actually speak to Sayori and convince her to kill herself with words.

“Get out of my head before I do what I know is best for you.
Get out of my head before I listen to everything she said to me.
Get out of my head before I show you how much I love you.
Get out of my head before I finish writing this poem.
But a poem is never actually finished.
It just stops moving.”

It’s very creepy and all, and what better place to hide a clue than in such a tense moment? Don’t those last two lines seem weird for someone who supposedly thinks they’re going to be gone forever? What if, at this point, Sayori knew what Monika was up to? And she knew Monika was messing with the script to get “in her head”?

The MC pointed out that Sayori can be pretty manipulative herself. The very first time I played the game, the error message behind Sayori said that it occured at chapter 5, line 307. I knew how to get into the script so I checked it immediately. Nothing special happens at that line, but it’s a line that the MC was thinking: “That’s why I can’t believe what my eyes are showing me…!” I took that as a secret message that Sayori didn’t do this to herself, and I was right. But now looking back at it, there might be a deeper meaning behind that line. That we can’t believe that Sayori was dead. She faked her death to make Monika think that she had total control. I also noticed that Sayori’s character file disappeared as Monika deleted it in panic, but she was still hanging dead on the screen. One of many things that prove the character files actually do nothing both in the game’s story and in the real world.

Meanwhile, Monika does her thing as Sayori watches. Monika destroys the script and deletes the other girls. Sayori’s plan was to get you to get rid of Monika, who she’s not strong enough to fight on her own. But Monika isn’t oblivious to this. She helps you along, giving hints on how to delete her. And once Act 4 starts, Sayori thinks Monika is deleted. Exactly what Monika wants her to think. If you try to put Monika’s file back, she’ll refuse because she needs to stay hidden. Once Sayori shows up again and blows her cover that she has script control, Monika decides to delete the entire game, ensuring that Sayori’s power is contained. THE END.

While I’d like to say I’m happy with that theory, it might have a few holes in it and could use more tweeking. I’m mostly posting it because I thought it makes for an interesting train of thought.
Last edited by kwhero449; 26 Dec @ 4:19pm
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Scheneighnay has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 4:03pm
Originally posted by kwhero449:
So today, I’ve been thinking about Act 4. To me, it also shows Monika’s control over the script. For no particular reason, everything in Act 4 goes perfectly smoothly, completely changed from Act 1. Sayori isn’t depressed, MC is happy to join the club of his own free will, Yuri and Natsuki are getting along. Stuff that didn’t happen naturally. That is, until Sayori derails it. It just makes me wonder, what if Sayori got that power not from being president of the club, but because she got that trait Monika going by our “club members are parts of her” theory. But then, why would she only awaken this power now? Maybe because she’s always had it.

In Act 1, Monika had to actually speak to Sayori and convince her to kill herself with words.

“Get out of my head before I do what I know is best for you.
Get out of my head before I listen to everything she said to me.
Get out of my head before I show you how much I love you.
Get out of my head before I finish writing this poem.
But a poem is never actually finished.
It just stops moving.”

It’s very creepy and all, and what better place to hide a clue than in such a tense moment? Don’t those last two lines seem weird for someone who supposedly thinks they’re going to be gone forever? What if, at this point, Sayori knew what Monika was up to? And she knew Monika was messing with the script to get “in her head”?

The MC pointed out that Sayori can be pretty manipulative herself. The very first time I played the game, the error message behind Sayori said that it occured at chapter 5, line 307. I knew how to get into the script so I checked it immediately. Nothing special happens at that line, but it’s a line that the MC was thinking. “That’s why I can’t believe what my eyes are showing me…!” I took that as a secret message that Sayori didn’t do this to herself, and I was right. But now looking back at it, there might be a deeper meaning behind that line. That we can’t believe that Sayori was dead. She faked her death to make Monika think that she had total control. I also noticed that Sayori’s character file disappeared as Monika deleted it in panic, but she was still hanging dead on the screen. One of many things that prove the character files actually do nothing both in the game’s story and in the real world.

Meanwhile, Monika does her thing as Sayori watches. Monika destroys the script and deletes the other girls. Sayori’s plan was to get you to get rid of Monika, who she’s not strong enough to fight on her own. But Monika isn’t oblivious to this. She helps you along, giving hints on how to delete her. And once Act 4 starts, Sayori thinks Monika is deleted. Exactly what Monika wants her to think. If you try to put Monika’s file back, she’ll refuse because she needs to stay hidden. Once Sayori shows up again and blows her cover that she has script control, Monika decides to delete the entire game, ensuring that Sayori’s power is contained. THE END.

While I’d like to say I’m happy with that theory, it might have a few holes in it and could use more tweeking. I’m mostly posting it because I thought it makes for an interesting train of thought.
Might explain why deleting anyone other than Monika causes Sayori to appear and start to panic.
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Thatwasme has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 4:43pm
And the plot thickens 😀
The theory certainly does seem sound, remember the file that mentions Sayori`s original deletion? “She`s the one making this difficult.”
there might be some internal struggle going on.
Also in the very begining of the 1st act, Natsuki says she doesn`t like horror and then looks at you, presumably because she likes manga but it keeps hitting me square in the face every time i think about it…

What i don`t get when following this logic is the difference between the normal ending where monika and sayori duke it out at the end, where sayori displays the exact same obsessive behavior as monika and the full one, where she couldn`t care less but to say thanks and send you on your merry way.
Keeps pointing me down the path of monika being the boss to be overcome so that the characters can evolve… a representation for the game… yada yada yada
#423

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 26 Dec @ 5:34pm
Okay, everyone. A little history lesson. Yes, ‘our’ ssociety is fallling apart. (So aare the others.) Consider the American experience. In 1800, the country was functionally bankrupt. About 42% of the populaace was illiterate. But they worked hard, root hog or die. By the end of the century American agriculture was the breadbasket of the world.

Unfortunately, the rot set in with the Populist Party around 1890. They wanted an income tax (soak the rich!) They wanted a ‘flexible’ currency and some wanted free coinage of silver. Oh, they wanted a lot more. Women’s suffrage. They really wanted democracy on steroids: popular election of senators. The existing rule was appointment of senators for Washington,DC. But it’s in the … “We don’ need no steenkin’ Constitution to upset our plans.

So they got it, much of it when Woodrow Wilson was at the helm … good and hard. Fast forward 90 years and, G.Bush: “It’s just a Goddamned piece of paper.” Once the U.S. dollar was literally good as gold and the Federal Reserve System fixed that. Et cetera and so forth.

When you live as long as I have, it gives you a whole new perspective on life.More than half my life here in Australia (still with U.S. passport (expired)). Sometimes I think of making a website: Republic of America in Exile. I see no vestige of a republic back there, it was kicked to death with hardly a whimper at some point in the 20th C.

Someone once said, in a democracy you get the president you deserve. That’s been true for a long time.

Thanks for listening.

Now we return to the regular business of the PIANO Theory Society.

SF author many, many years ago was giving a lecture at some university. Afterward, a woman came up to him nd said, “Mr. Sturgeon, why is so much of science fiction utter rubbish?”

He looked at her fo r a long moment, then replied: “Madam, ninety percent of everything is ???????t.”

That axiom has served me well from the time I heard it. This is why I can be an anime fan and enjoy the ten percent, I was never much of a gamer, jobs and family pretty well used upmy disposable time. And travel. ’68, building WXIX-TV literally from the ground up. ’69-70, Saudi Arabia. ’71 and halfway through 72 i Providence, RI. ’72-74, American Samoa. Finish 2 yr contract, get job in Hobart, Tasmania. 1975 was the year the country got colour TV. Etc.
One dreary, rainy day, I introduced my sons to tabletop gaming. And I suggesed my older son check out this thing called Dungeons and Dragons.

I guess it was about ’76-77, I discovered computer bulletin boards Yes, gthere was online life before the internet. But we got the rep. of anti-social recluses. Heh. Every holiday long weekend we’d be in some other city for 3 days of drinking and dining out.

those early Jp computers, if Iwasn’t online, I’d be playing with machine code. I was amused by trying variations of Conway’s ‘Life’ and such things. Mw first extensive gaming was the popular BBS door game, Yankee Trader. Yeah, 1987.

The day came when I sold my soul to a shareware called Descent. 1995. Remember that one? Full rotation every which way,vertigo valley. I went through the 7 levels after Saturday shopping and had to have the real deal. Then D2 and D3. I ised to hang names on the robots, people I worked for, with, or despite of. I still love that game. So many people couldn’t handle gthe free rotation, nausea inducing. But the engine, gtextured polygone,efficient code, Why, it was a gamechanger. [Oh! OK, I’ll stop. (That hurt!)]

Fast Forward, I discovered GOG. In the past two years I’ve backed several games. Only one was a vast disappointment – and I was a beta tester. When I saw it on Kickstarter, I pledged quicksmart. I was initially just testing the linux version. One update was … WTF? And I went to my Win7 beast and it looked like it had been written in Sanskrit. OIr something. Anyway, point being, two dev teams not tallking to each other?

So, yeah, I’m now a gamer, not great but enjoying myself. Over 100 Gog games. The only late model one I really had to have was the Tesla Effect. And that’s about it.
#424

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 3:35am
Originally posted by kwhero449:
So today, I’ve been thinking about Act 4. To me, it also shows Monika’s control over the script. For no particular reason, everything in Act 4 goes perfectly smoothly, completely changed from Act 1. Sayori isn’t depressed, MC is happy to join the club of his own free will, Yuri and Natsuki are getting along. Stuff that didn’t happen naturally. That is, until Sayori derails it. It just makes me wonder, what if Sayori got that power not from being president of the club, but because she got that trait from Monika going by our “club members are parts of her” theory. But then, why would she only awaken this power now? Maybe because she’s always had it.

In Act 1, Monika had to actually speak to Sayori and convince her to kill herself with words.

“Get out of my head before I do what I know is best for you.
Get out of my head before I listen to everything she said to me.
Get out of my head before I show you how much I love you.
Get out of my head before I finish writing this poem.
But a poem is never actually finished.
It just stops moving.”

It’s very creepy and all, and what better place to hide a clue than in such a tense moment? Don’t those last two lines seem weird for someone who supposedly thinks they’re going to be gone forever? What if, at this point, Sayori knew what Monika was up to? And she knew Monika was messing with the script to get “in her head”?

Before I start, I’m going to point to my previous Sayori theory in case you’ve missed it 😛

Sayori’s Enlightenment
Starts: Comment #261

I agree with you that Sayori doesn’t get her “power” by being the club’s president. She gets it from somewhere else… I believe she awakens her power not only for being “a part of Monika” by also from experience. What experience? Being “dead” of course. Like we’ve said many times in the past, all the girls have power inside of them, but Monika’s the only one aware of this.

Anyway, a thing that we’ve never thought of because we pretty took it for granted is:

What exactly did Monika tell Sayori to kill herself?

She used her depression against her and made her feel bad for dragging you to the club because of her greed to be with you even more? Probably

Or did Monika actually tell her that the world she was living in was fake, and that her love, the MC, was just something as fake as her?

That would explain the final part of her last poem. She actually knew that she wouldn’t die , since everything is fake and all… Also, that would explain why Sayori regretted her decision while she was choking to death. She probably wanted to stay with you, even if everything was fake, and wanted you to stay away from Monika and her deviant plans.

This converges well with your idea of What if, at this point, Sayori knew what Monika was up to? And she knew Monika was messing with the script to get “in her head”?
Because we can clearly see that she’s totally aware now. Too bad she was left hanging with that idea right? (sheesh, I hate myself when I do these jokes)

Originally posted by kwhero449:
The MC pointed out that Sayori can be pretty manipulative herself. The very first time I played the game, the error message behind Sayori said that it occured at chapter 5, line 307. I knew how to get into the script so I checked it immediately. Nothing special happens at that line, but it’s a line that the MC was thinking: “That’s why I can’t believe what my eyes are showing me…!” I took that as a secret message that Sayori didn’t do this to herself, and I was right. But now looking back at it, there might be a deeper meaning behind that line. That we can’t believe that Sayori was dead. She faked her death to make Monika think that she had total control. I also noticed that Sayori’s character file disappeared as Monika deleted it in panic, but she was still hanging dead on the screen. One of many things that prove the character files actually do nothing both in the game’s story and in the real world.

Meanwhile, Monika does her thing as Sayori watches. Monika destroys the script and deletes the other girls. Sayori’s plan was to get you to get rid of Monika, who she’s not strong enough to fight on her own. But Monika isn’t oblivious to this. She helps you along, giving hints on how to delete her. And once Act 4 starts, Sayori thinks Monika is deleted. Exactly what Monika wants her to think. If you try to put Monika’s file back, she’ll refuse because she needs to stay hidden. Once Sayori shows up again and blows her cover that she has script control, Monika decides to delete the entire game, ensuring that Sayori’s power is contained. THE END.

While I’d like to say I’m happy with that theory, it might have a few holes in it and could use more tweeking. I’m mostly posting it because I thought it makes for an interesting train of thought.

Sayori’s suicide is absolutely caused, she did not actively thought of doing that at all. An evidence? Happy thoughts special poem. A drawing of Sayori hanging. At first sight it looks like she had drawn that herself before doing it . But look at her hands. They’re all bloody. If you are going to kill yourself you don’t think that you might actually regret, right?

This shows that the drawing was done by someone else or at least, modified by someone else. Who? By Monika of course.

Why did she do that? Probably because wanted you to believe Sayori killed herself because she decided to do so but she leaves clues at plain sight that it was her work. What a psycho, right?

Sayori trying to fake her death… a bit too fat-fetched, right? This would mean she outfoxed Monika, who had already everything planned. But we’ve discussed way crazier theories so this could actually be possible. And I agree that character files do not have any effect in-game nor “in real life”

They’re either a representation of her feelings not their bodies ( this idea is a bit deprecated) or the different parts of Monika or secret messages left there to create an illusion of “humanity” to the real player.

It’s true that during the game there are many Sayori references. Too many actually: Sayori hanging poster in the classroom , Sayori’s scarejump in the backlog, Sayori’s pointer, glitched Sayori after a poem… This could mean two things:

1- Sayori is actually watching from the shadows, following every Monika’s movement and is trying to warn you about what’s going on

2- Sayori, as a part of Monika, since she no longer “exists”, causes problems to the game. Monika although she said she didn’t care about them because they were not real, she feels some “regret” and causes this apparitions as a result.

In my opinion, I actually prefer the first one… This would make sense too even if we consider right the hypothesis that she’s a part of Monika. This would also explain why Monika hears not only Sayori, but also the other girls in the Void. Are they trying to tell you something? Or are they just angry because what happened?

The second option works fine with this supposition too. Anyway, either case, deleting the files/girls, whatever you want to call them, cause glitches, some of them which can be seen by us and others that can only be experienced by Monika ( like the screams and stuff she hears)

I like your final reflexion that Sayori wanted you to get rid of Monika and that Monika was aware of this all along ( this reeks of MGQ…) It’s true that if you try to put her again she refuses.

This idea works fine for the “normal” ending but in the “special” ending it doesn’t quite fit. Moreover, why would Monika get deleted if she finally achieved her objective of being with you for all eternity?

Anyway, this would work fine in the normal ending. Monika was trying to ensure nothing like she had done would ever happen again and she was convinced that Sayori would actually try something.

Please, post any far-fetched or crazy ideas that you might have here ! It really helps us advance and we might find out something big anytime soon ahaha.
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Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 3:55am
Wow xae-chan you’re quite a veteran already ahaha. Thanks for the history lesson straight from the History Club! Also, you seem to have quite a long record with games and travels… Congratulations My record is waaaaaaay smaller but hey, I like it. That’s what matters right?

BTW, I forgot yesterday to suggest you guys a game I played in the past. It’s really cool and I bet you’ll like it. It’s a short game, less than 1 h, and it’s free!

https://silverstring.itch.io/glitchhikers

I really hope you guys will like it !
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kwhero449 has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 5:35am
Yeah, that special ending was what threw me off. But it does explain a lot of the unanswered questions I had. It makes it hard to tell what Sayori’s real goal is. To be with the player, or for everyone in the club to be happy? She says in the special ending that making everyone happy and caring about each other was all she ever wanted. If we take that at face value, it means that she wouldn’t be happy with the normal ending and purposely provokes Monika to put a stop to it? I dunno, it’s definitely a stretch.
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?lilMonix has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 5:52am
Originally posted by kwhero449:
Yeah, that special ending was what threw me off. But it does explain a lot of the unanswered questions I had. It makes it hard to tell what Sayori’s real goal is. To be with the player, or for everyone in the club to be happy? She says in the special ending that making everyone happy and caring about each other was all she ever wanted. If we take that at face value, it means that she wouldn’t be happy with the normal ending and purposely provokes Monika to put a stop to it? I dunno, it’s definitely a stretch.
Well it’s easy, she want to be with you just like Monika, since Monika also want to make the whole club happy but ended up delete everyone. So Sayori might repeat what Monika does, TO BE WITH YOU. So Monika go stop her since it will continue without end Cauz there’s still Yuri and Natsuki left and the event will be more worse than Monika.
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Scheneighnay has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 5:54am
But still, how do we explain that little bonus scene with Sayori if you delete someone at the wrong time.

She’ll appear, then say
“What is this?”
“What am I?”
“PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!”
Then resets the game.
#429

?lilMonix has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 6:07am
Originally posted by Scheneighnay:
But still, how do we explain that little bonus scene with Sayori if you delete someone at the wrong time.

She’ll appear, then say
“What is this?”
“What am I?”
“PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!”
Then resets the game.
Well you mean Well that happens when an AI Script went sentient or “Self-Aware” like Monika, but what makes it diffrent is that event occur early before the story or act starts..
BTW check this for more information, DearG got so many awnser for your question!
Sayori’s Enlightenment
Starts: Comment #261
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Scheneighnay has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 6:14am
Originally posted by ?lilSilverMonix:
Originally posted by Scheneighnay:
But still, how do we explain that little bonus scene with Sayori if you delete someone at the wrong time.

She’ll appear, then say
“What is this?”
“What am I?”
“PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!”
Then resets the game.
Well you mean Well that happens when an AI Script went sentient or “Self-Aware” like Monika, but what makes it diffrent is that event occur early before the story or act starts..
BTW check this for more information, DearG got so many awnser for your question!
Sayori’s Enlightenment
Starts: Comment #261
It happens if you delete anyone, even Sayori.
#431

?lilMonix has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 6:16am
Originally posted by Scheneighnay:
Originally posted by ?lilSilverMonix:
Well you mean Well that happens when an AI Script went sentient or “Self-Aware” like Monika, but what makes it diffrent is that event occur early before the story or act starts..
BTW check this for more information, DearG got so many awnser for your question!
Sayori’s Enlightenment
Starts: Comment #261
It happens if you delete anyone, even Sayori.
Eh? Dosen’t that part will happen if you delete Monika only??
#432

kwhero449 has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 6:20am
Originally posted by Scheneighnay:
It happens if you delete anyone, even Sayori.
Here’s what it says in the script. Looks like it only checks for Monika.

python:
try: renpy.file(“../characters/monika.chr”)
except: renpy.jump(“ch0_kill”)
#433

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 7:25am
Originally posted by kwhero449:
Yeah, that special ending was what threw me off. But it does explain a lot of the unanswered questions I had. It makes it hard to tell what Sayori’s real goal is. To be with the player, or for everyone in the club to be happy? She says in the special ending that making everyone happy and caring about each other was all she ever wanted. If we take that at face value, it means that she wouldn’t be happy with the normal ending and purposely provokes Monika to put a stop to it? I dunno, it’s definitely a stretch.

With the combination of my ideas and yours we can achieve a pretty well rounded answer! Sayori’s plan trully is hard to guess… but I guess it’s a combination of both feelings, to be with the player and make everyone happy. In act1 we can see her “bipolarity” too.

Being happy because she was able to spend more time with you but also sad because you spent time with the other girls too.

This could be the same case: In the normal ending, after knowing that both YOU ( you probably did one girl run, right?) and Monika had been greedy so, why wouldn’t she be greedy too? She seeks instant satisfaction which causes her cover to be blown (like Monika says in the Void, seeking instant gratification brings people problems, how ironic)

Anyway, like in the special ending, she saw that even though Monika had been greedy, you were actually trying to make everyone happy, and that’s why she leaves her avarice aside and decides that it’s best to let Monika delete everything to stop their suffering.

Man, understanding Sayori’s hard… Why did she had to be so tricky?

Also, thanks ?lilSilverMonix for your opinion and for pointing my old answer. You might be right afterall because there’s actually a sentence, her last sentence, that makes the situation feel very VERY wrong:

Come back to see us some other time, ok?

What the actual ?

Why would I want to get back here to make everyone suffer again? Why ar you asking me to do so? You want to spend more time with me? You want to make everyone happy again? Or, wait, are you trying to do something? Isn’t this what you wanted/expected? Is it really you who’s talking?

Welp, this seems awfully suspicious, right? Ahaha

Originally posted by kwhero449:
Originally posted by Scheneighnay:
It happens if you delete anyone, even Sayori.
Here’s what it says in the script. Looks like it only checks for Monika.

python:
try: renpy.file(“../characters/monika.chr”)
except: renpy.jump(“ch0_kill”)

I think that if you delete anyone else, or leave Monika alone, the first scene doesn’t happen, you go directly to the bad ending… Could someone please try it?

BTW, could someone try deleting Monika in the 2nd act when in her poem says “DELETE HER” but without closing the game.
Someone else, in the same part, could delete Yuri also without closing the game?

I believe that the game should shutdown itself or something like that… but who knows, right?

EDIT: Please post here what happens, ok? I’d do it myself, but I really can’t, sorry!
Last edited by Dearlaice Gortaigh; 27 Dec @ 7:36am
#434

?lilMonix has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 7:38am
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:
Also, thanks ?lilSilverMonix for your opinion and for pointing my old answer. You might be right afterall because there’s actually a sentence, her last sentence, that makes the situation feel very VERY wrong: Come back to see us some other time, ok?
No worries and your welcome :3 BTW who say that “Come back to see us some other time, ok?” ?? Who said that is it Monika or Sayori?
Last edited by ?lilMonix; 27 Dec @ 7:38am
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Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 7:39am
Sayori’s last sentence is that. She says that crying

EDIT: But it reeks of Monika… Afterwards, the game ends and the credit song starts to play. Then the credits but this time the CGs are not deleted, probably to make you remember the “good” times you’ve had…
Last edited by Dearlaice Gortaigh; 27 Dec @ 7:41am
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?lilMonix has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 7:41am
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:
Sayori’s last sentence is that. She says that crying

EDIT: But it reeks of Monika… Afterwards, the game ends and the credit song starts to play. Then the credits but this time the CGs are not deleted, probably to make you remember the “good” times you’ve had…
Oh, thx again DearG, I have no clue after I finished playing DDLC and play CSGO insted… I really need to rewind the whole game again.
Last edited by ?lilMonix; 27 Dec @ 7:42am
#437

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 7:44am
Originally posted by ?lilSilverMonix:
Oh, thx again DearG, I have no clue after I finished playing DDLC and play CSGO insted… I really need to rewind the whole game again.

Ahaha everyone here’s playing something else to “bury” the feelings this game has caused us. I’m reading a bountiful of VNs but they all seem so blank…

I’m probably re-play (again) DDLC once I finish all of them
Last edited by Dearlaice Gortaigh; 27 Dec @ 7:45am
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xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 8:22am
Yikes, the first thing I find is another transcript to do,

Forgot to mentioin on my wall, my avatar is from a game. Retro.
#439

kwhero449 has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 8:59am
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:
I think that if you delete anyone else, or leave Monika alone, the first scene doesn’t happen, you go directly to the bad ending… Could someone please try it?

BTW, could someone try deleting Monika in the 2nd act when in her poem says “DELETE HER” but without closing the game.
Someone else, in the same part, could delete Yuri also without closing the game?

I believe that the game should shutdown itself or something like that… but who knows, right?

EDIT: Please post here what happens, ok? I’d do it myself, but I really can’t, sorry!
Looks like the only time the script has the phrase “try renpy.file” is for Monika events and for restoring the others at certain spots if they aren’t already there.

I’m playing the VN “Fruit of Grisaia”. I’ve heard it’s a good one, but still in the middle of the first character route. A nice free VN with a horror(ish) theme is Lucid9. I’d definitely say it’s worth a read.
#440

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 9:03am
Originally posted by kwhero449:
Looks like the only time the script has the phrase “try renpy.file” is for Monika events and for restoring the others at certain spots if they aren’t already there.

I’m playing the VN “Fruit of Grisaia”. I’ve heard it’s a good one, but still in the middle of the first character route. A nice free VN with a horror(ish) theme is Lucid9. I’d definitely say it’s worth a read.

Ok, thanks for the info! It’s true that I’ve seen the game restore the files a couple of times… Anyway, I’ll try the VNs you’ve suggested once I run out my own VNs ahaha
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xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 9:06am
Forget the transcript.

I can’t believe my Ubuntu linux and my Win7 have both gone wonky. But although I can ‘copy’ page text on both, I now cannot pasgte into a text document. I even tried on Win7 bringing the page up in the browser. Nix.

If this is IP Awareness and DRM gone feral, I am going to be so????????
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xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 9:08am
DG, my little cipher seems to have fallen in a crack somewhere.
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Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 9:13am

Originally posted by xae-chan:
DG, my little cipher seems to have fallen in a crack somewhere.

I’ve tried… But I’m really not good at it Too many things in my head…

I’m so sorry |$48)rgKxrqg!%”I7ugK7r<8xuIg{Kqg)bH8

EDIT: I got addicted to that encoding… damn now I zrp_xwI47rp?xs48}%5G7scl
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?lilMonix has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 9:23am
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:
Originally posted by xae-chan:
DG, my little cipher seems to have fallen in a crack somewhere.

I’ve tried… But I’m really not good at it Too many things in my head…

I’m so sorry |$48)rgKxrqg!%”I7ugK7r<8xuIg{Kqg)bH8

EDIT: I got addicted to that encoding… damn now I zrp_xwI47rp?xs48}%5G7scl
Oh no.
#445

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 9:35am
Ahaha I’m sorry guys if I put things like that… Usually they’re irrelevant words, so don’t worry 😛

BTW, xae-chan, if you want, you can tell me what you meant with your little, yet hard, ciphering. In private if you prefer… I don’t want to };|8xwHZ7uhg}Jp8}Kp8xs’g{)H_7uHG7s|l
#446

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 10:12am
I just found out I cannot even edit any of my comments, so it could just be a block on my account. In which case someone else can take over until u get blocked.
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xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 4:46pm
K, did the openings tests.

Clean start: Play – New game – Quit – delete Monika – Play – New game –
Sayori appears – confused look – What? No. This can’t be all. Make it stop.
PLEASE MAKE IT STOP – Bad End – hanged B&W drawing

Delete firstrun – verify local files from Steam client – restore all four characters to empty folder …
Play – New game – Quit – delete Natsuki – Play – New game – normal opening
Quit – restore Natuki – delete Sayori – Play – New game – Sayori, as before.

Restore Sayori – Play – New game – quit – delete Yuri – Play – New game –
notice Yuri is reincarnated in folder again and game starts normally.

And I feel bad about doing that. Even worse, I thought about lots of players, and
imagined Elyssa screaming …
#448

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 27 Dec @ 7:02pm
transcript through 420 online
#449

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 28 Dec @ 2:07am
Originally posted by xae-chan:
K, did the openings tests.

Clean start: Play – New game – Quit – delete Monika – Play – New game –
Sayori appears – confused look – What? No. This can’t be all. Make it stop.
PLEASE MAKE IT STOP – Bad End – hanged B&W drawing

Delete firstrun – verify local files from Steam client – restore all four characters to empty folder …
Play – New game – Quit – delete Natsuki – Play – New game – normal opening
Quit – restore Natuki – delete Sayori – Play – New game – Sayori, as before.

Restore Sayori – Play – New game – quit – delete Yuri – Play – New game –
notice Yuri is reincarnated in folder again and game starts normally.

And I feel bad about doing that. Even worse, I thought about lots of players, and
imagined Elyssa screaming …

Ok perfect, thanks for your tests and the transcript ! Could you try doing the same in act2? But I guess nothing will happen at all… But it’s interesting that the characters get backed-up and restored if something goes wrong…

BTW, before I forget: I think we have enough data to “propose” or at least to make a global theory that includes all (or almost all) the theories aforementioned. If we guys get stuck ( like in stupid Yuri’s poem) or we run out ideas( we pretty much talked about everything, didn’t we?) , when I find the time I’ll start joining them all in one document ( damn, we’re doing a scientific report on a game… funny huh?) and I’ll post it here. So, in the meantime, please do propose more ideas since I’ll be able to refine a better document !

Thanks everyone so far for your collaboration! Let’s keep this going !
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Scheneighnay has Doki Doki Literature Club 28 Dec @ 3:19am
Originally posted by xae-chan:
transcript through 420 online
blaze it ??????
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?lilMonix has Doki Doki Literature Club 28 Dec @ 10:20am
Damn it finaly reach this far. 452? Let’s celebrate it!!

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Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 28 Dec @ 2:29pm
We sure have grown strong…I’m very glad that you guys are still here.

In the meantime,while I piece everything together, since we don’t have any particular focus, you’re free to post whatever you like: Poems, fanart, far-fetched ideas … whatever, just keep it PG, ok?

We’re not that far in our relationship ( gosh, I really don’t like impersonating her but I can’t help it!)

BTW, did someone try the game that I suggested a few comments back?
I’d like to know what you think of it! Moreover, I think it has some topics related to DDLC actually…

But anyway, it’s up to you 🙂 See you around!
#453

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 28 Dec @ 3:49pm
DG: “Ok perfect, thanks for your tests and the transcript ! Could you try doing the same in act2?”

You’re welcome on the first but that last sentence …
“I don’t think I can do that, Dave.” (movie ref)

Seriously, I did the tests and kept remembering Monika in the void, “Can you not do that? Just leave it on, in the background .When you quit the game, it’s like I’m in hell.” other places about her mind hazy, and muddled and colors flashing and voices that turn to screaming. And right then my subconscious linked to Elyssa. That never happened before and I don’t like the thought.

I might look at Yuri’s poem again.I typed it as groups of words ending with the two commas. Looking at it sideways on the monitor, I could imagine an oscilloscope trace. Or a histogram.
#454

Scheneighnay has Doki Doki Literature Club 28 Dec @ 4:06pm
Originally posted by xae-chan:
DG: “Ok perfect, thanks for your tests and the transcript ! Could you try doing the same in act2?”

You’re welcome on the first but that last sentence …
“I don’t think I can do that, Dave.” (movie ref)

Seriously, I did the tests and kept remembering Monika in the void, “Can you not do that? Just leave it on, in the background .When you quit the game, it’s like I’m in hell.” other places about her mind hazy, and muddled and colors flashing and voices that turn to screaming. And right then my subconscious linked to Elyssa. That never happened before and I don’t like the thought.

I might look at Yuri’s poem again.I typed it as groups of words ending with the two commas. Looking at it sideways on the monitor, I could imagine an oscilloscope trace. Or a histogram.
I’m still not sure what Natsuki was trying to say with her last poem in act 2. It seemed super metophorical.
#455

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 28 Dec @ 5:42pm
Man, I can’t keep track of the variations. For me, the third of act 2 was not a poem but a messaage for help. Let me check elsewhere, I might find something different.
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Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 29 Dec @ 3:38am
Originally posted by xae-chan:
DG: “Ok perfect, thanks for your tests and the transcript ! Could you try doing the same in act2?”

You’re welcome on the first but that last sentence …
“I don’t think I can do that, Dave.” (movie ref)

Seriously, I did the tests and kept remembering Monika in the void, “Can you not do that? Just leave it on, in the background .When you quit the game, it’s like I’m in hell.” other places about her mind hazy, and muddled and colors flashing and voices that turn to screaming. And right then my subconscious linked to Elyssa. That never happened before and I don’t like the thought.

I might look at Yuri’s poem again.I typed it as groups of words ending with the two commas. Looking at it sideways on the monitor, I could imagine an oscilloscope trace. Or a histogram.

xae-chan about act2, “I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.”

I’m astonished to find out that Monika and HAL are pretty much identical

“Just what do you think you’re doing, Dave?” –“Just what do you think you’re doing, [player]?”

“I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.”

I could continue but you get the point… How could I have not thought about it earlier?
It’s interesting nonetheless… so similar…

Anyway, Monika’s hell is hard to understand… You’re not a machine, right? You don’t know what it’s like to be shut down and contained, when at the same time you’re conscious about it. It must be really distressing and not pleasant at all.

And about Yuri’s poem… well I’ve tried really hard. I can only see a story. I can’t crack it to see if there’s an ulterior meaning. I’ve tried to group the words, the lines… Nothing. The drawing is an interesting idea too… I might try it aswell.

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:
I’m still not sure what Natsuki was trying to say with her last poem in act 2. It seemed super metophorical.

And as for this, I agree with xae-chan that this ” poem” looks like a direct plead for help. This strengthens the idea that Natsuki’s completely absorved by the game yet she manages to see that there’s something off with Monika. I really find it hard to find any “metaphors”.

If you want, please indicate which are exactly the parts that trouble you and I will investigate them, ok?

EDIT:
[HAL’s shutdown]

HAL: I’m afraid. I’m afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I’m a… fraid. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you’d like to hear it I can sing it for you.

Dave Bowman: Yes, I’d like to hear it, HAL. Sing it for me.

HAL: It’s called “Daisy.”

[sings while slowing down]

HAL: Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do. I’m half crazy all for the love of you. It won’t be a stylish marriage, I can’t afford a carriage. But you’ll look sweet upon the seat of a bicycle built for two.

I don’t know why, but I completely relate Monika’s deletion to this. So sad…
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#457

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 29 Dec @ 6:40am
Scheneighnay

screensholt of said poem, note N’s font is open, simple, clean. By comparison, Sayori’s telegraphs her mental state, the ‘n’ character deformed.

I think the dialogue of that section makes the difference, I’ll have to double-check. But also N glitches and tells player to forget what I said in glitched text.
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#458

Scheneighnay has Doki Doki Literature Club 29 Dec @ 9:40am
Originally posted by xae-chan:
Scheneighnay

screensholt of said poem, note N’s font is open, simple, clean. By comparison, Sayori’s telegraphs her mental state, the ‘n’ character deformed.

I think the dialogue of that section makes the difference, I’ll have to double-check. But also N glitches and tells player to forget what I said in glitched text.
Yes, but what was Natsuki trying to tell us?
Maybe it was some type of metaphor for the state of global affairs. Perhaps this “yuri” she writes about is a metaphor for the UN or something.
#459

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 29 Dec @ 10:09am
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:
Originally posted by xae-chan:
DG: “Ok perfect, thanks for your tests and the transcript ! Could you try doing the same in act2?”

You’re welcome on the first but that last sentence …
“I don’t think I can do that, Dave.” (movie ref)

Seriously, I did the tests and kept remembering Monika in the void, “Can you not do that? Just leave it on, in the background .When you quit the game, it’s like I’m in hell.” other places about her mind hazy, and muddled and colors flashing and voices that turn to screaming. And right then my subconscious linked to Elyssa. That never happened before and I don’t like the thought.

I might look at Yuri’s poem again.I typed it as groups of words ending with the two commas. Looking at it sideways on the monitor, I could imagine an oscilloscope trace. Or a histogram.

xae-chan about act2, “I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.”

I’m astonished to find out that Monika and HAL are pretty much identical

“Just what do you think you’re doing, Dave?” –“Just what do you think you’re doing, [player]?”

“I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.”

I could continue but you get the point… How could I have not thought about it earlier?
It’s interesting nonetheless… so similar…

Anyway, Monika’s hell is hard to understand… You’re not a machine, right? You don’t know what it’s like to be shut down and contained, when at the same time you’re conscious about it. It must be really distressing and not pleasant at all.

And about Yuri’s poem… well I’ve tried really hard. I can only see a story. I can’t crack it to see if there’s an ulterior meaning. I’ve tried to group the words, the lines… Nothing. The drawing is an interesting idea too… I might try it aswell.

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:
I’m still not sure what Natsuki was trying to say with her last poem in act 2. It seemed super metophorical.

And as for this, I agree with xae-chan that this ” poem” looks like a direct plead for help. This strengthens the idea that Natsuki’s completely absorved by the game yet she manages to see that there’s something off with Monika. I really find it hard to find any “metaphors”.

If you want, please indicate which are exactly the parts that trouble you and I will investigate them, ok?

EDIT:
[HAL’s shutdown]

HAL: I’m afraid. I’m afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I’m a… fraid. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you’d like to hear it I can sing it for you.

Dave Bowman: Yes, I’d like to hear it, HAL. Sing it for me.

HAL: It’s called “Daisy.”

[sings while slowing down]

HAL: Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do. I’m half crazy all for the love of you. It won’t be a stylish marriage, I can’t afford a carriage. But you’ll look sweet upon the seat of a bicycle built for two.

I don’t know why, but I completely relate Monika’s deletion to this. So sad…

Two days ago, “I don’t think I can do that” kept running through my mind. And my mind’s ear heard the voice, a bit higher-pitched than I would have chosen. But I’m not Kubrick and maybe he exactly wanted that calm, measered, gentle voice (feminine?) just as precisely as he’d chosen the pieces of the soundtrack.

Anyway, several hours later, and “dave” was remembered. It was the perfect refusal of act two tests. I’d already been unnerved by that random Monika=Elyssa idea. I didn’t want to play with Monika’s heart any more,

But I hadn’t thought into 2001!

It may not be as good as a Third Eye but subconscious nudges are still useful.

Scheneighnay could be right. Player is expecting a poem and gets a fourth wall break, accepts that at face value. Monika negates that, Natsuki forgets, so it actually IS a poem. We know Monika is devious and manipulative and where did she get that from? DS.

Natsuki seems to be actually getting more involved in the story – but as a messenger.

(I have an uneasy feeling that Natsuki somewhere says “My heart is pounding” … )

Natsuki Act 2-2 T3BlbiBZb3VyIFRoaXJkIEV5ZQ== shown instead of Amy Likes Spiders if the players’ poems have appealed to Natsuki twice or more. And we have title and text in base64.
“Open Your Third Eye” oh, really? And a text that reads more like Yuri. Hmmm.

Yuri’s poem, mdpnfbo,jrfp is deliberately difficult to read in-game. The font is Damagrafik Script. So making it readable, in a way is already decoding it …. before the base64 treatment.
When I separated by comma pairs, the first thing I saw before the message was

pi

and the message is more YuriSpeak.

Pi, the irrational number. Clue? Tease?

And my little tease cipher, joke’s back on me. It’s an example of a Caesar cipher. Do it multiple with a keyword or phrase and it’s Vigenere.
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kwhero449 has Doki Doki Literature Club 29 Dec @ 10:23am
It is kind of weird how little “important” stuff Natsuki does compared to the others. I keep trying to look through her poems and dialogue but there’s just nothing too interesting there. Just like her character, everything’s just straightforward with her besides that base64 poem.
#461

Scheneighnay has Doki Doki Literature Club 29 Dec @ 10:35am
Originally posted by kwhero449:
It is kind of weird how little “important” stuff Natsuki does compared to the others. I keep trying to look through her poems and dialogue but there’s just nothing too interesting there. Just like her character, everything’s just straightforward with her besides that base64 poem.
Yuri has the Base64 story, Natsuki has an image that’s completely uninteresting even after you pull the real image out of it.
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#462

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 29 Dec @ 10:54am
Scheneighnay

OK, let’s see if we combine poem&metaphor … mc expects poem, gets fourth wall in his face, mistakenly sees help message. Monika recognizes real world isses she’s spoken of many times in the void, glitches to distract player. She still has two problems to get rid of and is not ready to reveal her plans to (you).

Well. The mechanics of it are consistent with the style of DDLC.

I see the word ‘try’ four times. First poem. “But that’s about all.” A big failure?

I don’t discount anything. Dealing with DS/Monika and lateral thinking, Occam’s Razor is scant help.
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mystic_man95 has Doki Doki Literature Club 29 Dec @ 12:03pm
There were a few minor things I have questions about after going through the special ending last night.

Sometimes if you save the girl you wrote the poem for for last, she will keep the poem. I was wondering if this mattered at all. Very unlikely, but I think it might be neat to replay and try the specfic sequences on the way to the special ending where each girl keeps a poem.

(For example, if you show Natsuki your poem first, she wants to keep it, but Monika comes in and says to let him share it with the others. If you pick her last, she actually keeps the poem.)

Has anyone tried to do the special ending while getting 20/20 right for the intended girl for each poem? I also doubt this matters, but it would be neat to do while going through.

What happens if there is a tie when picking the words? (For example, (8-8-4) or (10-10) for the part without Sayori).

Is there a table anywhere that has every possible word in it categorized by girl? I know about 90% of them from playing, but it would be nice to see them all at once to gain a bit of understanding about each character.

Also, after Sayori is gone, I noticed a few of the words make an off-screen mini-Monika jump (you can just see the top of her head), that was a bit interesting. Was it just random chance, or can you find out the keywords Monika likes by replaying that poem part?
#464

kwhero449 has Doki Doki Literature Club 29 Dec @ 12:41pm
Originally posted by Scheneighnay:
Originally posted by kwhero449:
It is kind of weird how little “important” stuff Natsuki does compared to the others. I keep trying to look through her poems and dialogue but there’s just nothing too interesting there. Just like her character, everything’s just straightforward with her besides that base64 poem.
Yuri has the Base64 story, Natsuki has an image that’s completely uninteresting even after you pull the real image out of it.
I’m talking about in game stuff that might help with theories. Other than Natsuki’s ”
T3BlbiBZb3VyIFRoaXJkIEV5ZQ==’ poem, every other character has come up with something interesting.
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Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 29 Dec @ 2:44pm
Originally posted by kwhero449:
It is kind of weird how little “important” stuff Natsuki does compared to the others. I keep trying to look through her poems and dialogue but there’s just nothing too interesting there. Just like her character, everything’s just straightforward with her besides that base64 poem.

I agree with kwhero449. Natsuki, in my opinion, it’s like she had been purposely created to not be “interesting”. Her poems, her chatter… they all seem to be for the in-game MC. Even DS regrets not giving her more script… probably because of this? Moreover, her glitches and “special poems” can totally be attributed to Monika, which reinforces the idea that she represents innocence. It’s a shame though… but well, she has the biggest appretiation thread right? Ahaha

Originally posted by mystic_man95:
There were a few minor things I have questions about after going through the special ending last night.

Sometimes if you save the girl you wrote the poem for for last, she will keep the poem. I was wondering if this mattered at all. Very unlikely, but I think it might be neat to replay and try the specfic sequences on the way to the special ending where each girl keeps a poem.

(For example, if you show Natsuki your poem first, she wants to keep it, but Monika comes in and says to let him share it with the others. If you pick her last, she actually keeps the poem.)

Interesting point… I hadn’t thought about that! Good job!
It’s true that if you stick to a girl in act 1, at the end, they will keep the poem. I’ve done all the combinations possible which are a lot… so I don’t remember exactly the details, sorry!

I know for sure that Sayori does not keep your poem at the end(but she gets extra sad and asks you why are you making things harder…) but I think she does keep it in the second poem if you give the poem to her the last.

As for Natsuki, it happens as you just have said.

And for Yuri, I think it’s the same case as for Natuski actually, but I don’t remember Monika meddling in though…

In act2, Yuri keeps your last poem, no matter what. What’s pretty surprising is that if you give your poem to her the first, she will keep it and won’t let the other girls read it! Natsuki gets angry and Monika just sighs. Curious, huh? ( she will also do naughty things with it but we better not talk about those…)

Why would the girls keep your “poem” that has been dedicated to them?

I’ve tried to think of something “theory-related” but I can’t come up with anything… ( it’s very late here, like 5AM in the morning… so, sorry)
For me, it’s just a way to create a “dating-sim atmosphere”. A way to represent their feelings for you and also a way to get in “touch” with yours. Don’t you find it somewhat endearing? Then mission accomplished, ahaha (except for act 2, which is creepy… then again, the right atmosphere had been set up, right?)

Originally posted by mystic_man95:
Has anyone tried to do the special ending while getting 20/20 right for the intended girl for each poem? I also doubt this matters, but it would be neat to do while going through.

What happens if there is a tie when picking the words? (For example, (8-8-4) or (10-10) for the part without Sayori).

Is there a table anywhere that has every possible word in it categorized by girl? I know about 90% of them from playing, but it would be nice to see them all at once to gain a bit of understanding about each character.

Also, after Sayori is gone, I noticed a few of the words make an off-screen mini-Monika jump (you can just see the top of her head), that was a bit interesting. Was it just random chance, or can you find out the keywords Monika likes by replaying that poem part?

I had already thought of that… what would happen in case two girls (or even the three of them!) were even? I’ve never tried though… Someone would be so kind to try it? I think that nothing special happens at all. Probably the game will just select one randomly. But who knows, right?

And as for the table… Look at our Dropbox! ( in the description) but to make it easier for you here you go:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1cwklg38cylg9on/AADgIv0_BzN30BN-Up8ebMBTa?dl=000&preview=DDLC+poem+words.docx

About Monika jumping… Yes, that’s random. I recall that the chance was like 1/6? I’m not sure about this… Either case, the word still counts for the girl it was intended to.

What’s curious is that glitch words count as 0. They do not add any points to any girl and afterwards they break the game( and Monika says something after you pick 2 words… something like ‘duh’)

Anyway, I hope this has helped you clarify your doubts! Thanks for asking 🙂

EDIT: My english at these untimely hours is dreadful… I’m very sorry
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Mithost Officer 29 Dec @ 3:18pm
While there is no special event or logic for getting a perfect score for one girl, you can be rest assured that she will like your poem very much if you score highly (the other girls might not like it as much though)!

Regardless of if two characters are tied or not in the poem game, the winner of the poem game is decided by a sorting algorithm built into python. At the end of each poem game, the scores are sorted from lowest to highest, then the last score in the list is considered the winner. In the case of two numbers being equal, the values remain in the same location. This quirk with the sorting algorithm means that unfortunately Sayori can never win a tie because Natsuki or Yuri will always be further down in the list (the standard order is S, N, Y).

While I didn’t help with the development of DDLC, I’ve spent a lot of time looking into the poem game in particular!
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Scheneighnay has Doki Doki Literature Club 29 Dec @ 3:29pm
Originally posted by Mithost:
While there is no special event or logic for getting a perfect score for one girl, you can be rest assured that she will like your poem very much if you score highly (the other girls might not like it as much though)!

Regardless of if two characters are tied or not in the poem game, the winner of the poem game is decided by a sorting algorithm built into python. At the end of each poem game, the scores are sorted from lowest to highest, then the last score in the list is considered the winner. In the case of two numbers being equal, the values remain in the same location. This quirk with the sorting algorithm means that unfortunately Sayori can never win a tie because Natsuki or Yuri will always be further down in the list (the standard order is S, N, Y).

While I didn’t help with the development of DDLC, I’ve spent a lot of time looking into the poem game in particular!
Yuri is best gril confirmed.
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?lilMonix has Doki Doki Literature Club 29 Dec @ 3:48pm
Originally posted by Scheneighnay:
Yuri is best gril confirmed.
Every girl is the best, without 1 of them being in the game DDLC would be another game…4 is better than 1
#469

kwhero449 has Doki Doki Literature Club 22 hours ago
I was looking at “The Lady who Knows Everything” poem again and noticed a little detail that reminded me of Sayori’s poem, “Bottles”. The speaker in Sayori’s poem describes her digging into deeper and darker places in her mind for happy thoughts, “plucking them out with her thumb and forefinger”. Meanwhile, “The Lady who Knows Everything” describes the speaker as a feather floating around on the wind until they fell and was “caught between a thumb and forefinger” before being told “I have found every answer, all of which amount to nothing. There is no meaning. There is no purpose. And we seek only the impossible. I am not your legend. Your legend does not exist.”

Not sure I can make enough out of this to make a decent claim. Other than if we flip the script and say that Monika got her sentience from Sayori instead of the other way around and that Monika is just a thought plucked out of her head. But that’s farfetched even by my standards. Still, it’s another interesting thought.
#470

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 22 hours ago
Wow. Interesting idea. I like how you saw the phrase as a link between the two. None of these parallels are random or accidental. It’s like many motifs making up a synphony. Or an opera.

And the fat lady hasn’t sung yet. 🙂
#471

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 21 hours ago
Mithost

all information is useful, any new clue may assist someone else who hasn’t looked in a certain direction. I find it fascinating how a random bunch of strangers can coalesce into a group with one purpose. It’s almost like magic.
#472

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 12 hours ago
Thank you Mithost for your info! Very well done! You’re one of the community’s tinkerers, right? Ahaha

I agree with ?lilMonix. There is no such thing as “best” girl. But well, I guess everyone has their own preferences…

kwhero449 your idea is as interesting as far-fetched! But that’s what it keeps us moving so thanks for your thoughts!

Like xae-chan says, there’s nothing random, it’s completely on purpose. But I think that the idea that it’s trying to convey is that the ones who wrote both poems are quite similar… Or ,maybe something else?

“I have found every answer, all of which amount to nothing. There is no meaning. There is no purpose. And we seek only the impossible. I am not your legend. Your legend does not exist.”

Now that I think, the poem is pretty depressive, right? And the sentences above are quite sad too… We still don’t know how Monika managed to make Sayori kill herself…

What if , afterall, Monika told the truth to Sayori? What if that poem was meant to her to make her see that everything was pointless? That the lady who knows everything is Monika and that the feather is Sayori? ( recall that the MC calls her a “lighthead” many times… another cruel joke)

I really like this approach… I’ll develop it even more when I have the time ! Meanwhile, tell me what you think 😛 Again, thanks for the idea!

And finally, about I find it fascinating how a random bunch of strangers can coalesce into a group with one purpose. It’s almost like magic.

I couldn’t agree more ! How come, we, some strangers that don’t even know anything about eachother have come this far ( 473 comments wow) in order to completely understand a game!
This is really beautiful in a way, don’t you think? Thanks for making this possible guys! You’re the best
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#473

?lilMonix has Doki Doki Literature Club 11 hours ago
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:
Thank you Mithost for your info! Very well done! You’re one of the community’s tinkerers, right? Ahaha

I agree with ?lilMonix. There is no such thing as “best” girl. But well, I guess everyone has their own preferences…

kwhero449 your idea is as interesting as far-fetched! But that’s what it keeps us moving so thanks for your thoughts!

Like xae-chan says, there’s nothing random, it’s completely on purpose. But I think that the idea that it’s trying to convey is that the ones who wrote both poems are quite similar… Or ,maybe something else?

“I have found every answer, all of which amount to nothing. There is no meaning. There is no purpose. And we seek only the impossible. I am not your legend. Your legend does not exist.”

Now that I think, the poem is pretty depressive, right? And the sentences above are quite sad too… We still don’t know how Monika managed to make Sayori kill herself…

What if , afterall, Monika told the truth to Sayori? What if that poem was meant to her to make her see that everything was pointless? That the lady who knows everything is Monika and that the feather is Sayori? ( recall that the MC calls her a “lighthead” many times… another cruel joke)

I really like this approach… I’ll develop it even more when I have the time ! Meanwhile, tell me what you think 😛 Again, thanks for the idea!

And finally, about I find it fascinating how a random bunch of strangers can coalesce into a group with one purpose. It’s almost like magic.

I couldn’t agree more ! How come, we, some strangers that don’t even know anything about eachother have come this far ( 473 comments wow) in order to completely understand a game!
This is really beautiful in a way, don’t you think? Thanks for making this possible guys! You’re the best

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#474

kwhero449 has Doki Doki Literature Club 10 hours ago
Originally posted by Dearlaice Gortaigh:
What if , afterall, Monika told the truth to Sayori? What if that poem was meant to her to make her see that everything was pointless? That the lady who knows everything is Monika and that the feather is Sayori? ( recall that the MC calls her a “lighthead” many times… another cruel joke)

That’s actually why I phrased it as “the speaker” of each poem, because I couldn’t be sure who the speaker in each one was. And it would make some sense. Monika did give you that poem on the fourth day, when Sayori started acting weird. Sayori wrote “Bottles” on the third day, so Monika might’ve chosen that imagery to explain that Sayori is the one that was just a thought plucked from someone’s head. Before it was the “I pick up a gust of wind” at the end that made me change my mind. Sounds like it’s saying the speaker found some determination after that conversation when before the lady caught them, the wind was gone. Unless that’s talking about Sayori’s full plan from before?
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#475

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 9 hours ago
Originally posted by kwhero449:
That’s actually why I phrased it as “the speaker” of each poem, because I couldn’t be sure who the speaker in each one was.

Sorry, I didn’t notice… I just took the speakers for granted. But you’re right, it’s pretty hard at this point to tell who is who, right?

Originally posted by kwhero449:
And it would make some sense. Monika did give you that poem on the fourth day, when Sayori started acting weird. Sayori wrote “Bottles” on the third day, so Monika might’ve chosen that imagery to explain that Sayori is the one that was just a thought plucked from someone’s head.

This is very possible. Afterall, aren’t all the girls thoughts from someone else?

Originally posted by kwhero449:
Before it was the “I pick up a gust of wind” at the end that made me change my mind. Sounds like it’s saying the speaker found some determination after that conversation when before the lady caught them, the wind was gone. Unless that’s talking about Sayori’s full plan from before?

This poem (like everything in this game) can have multiple meanings:

1- This is poem explains Monika’s realization of being an AI and finding out that she has no purpose. Despite of this fact, she wants to continue. Then the feather would be represent Monika and “The Lady Who Knows Everything” would either be her epiphany or the ones who created her ( more likely the creators)

2- The poem is intended to hurt Sayori and make her realize a truth she’s not prepared for in order to get rid of her. The ending would be pretty weird if we follow this approach…

3- Both at the same time. Why not? A message who’s for both Sayori and the MC. Each one would understand something different. It’d be cunning indeed… Like Monika says : A poem doesn’t have to be about something. It can be a conversation with the reader

It’s very hard for me to think that Monika realizes her sentience through Sayori… Afterall, we have been supposing all along that Monika’s the one who has been always self-aware. But hey, I really want to hear your full explanation on this theory! I’m looking forward to it!
#476

mystic_man95 has Doki Doki Literature Club 7 hours ago
Has there been a lot of discussion about the “soul” of the MC? Monika didn’t talk to or focus on the MC in their class last year, and she was way out of his league, but then she really cared about him after we take control because she knew it wasn’t really the MC anymore. Then in the Just Monika part she makes a joke about the same class last year line, so was the MC ever in this world to begin with, or did the world start when we turned on the game, meaning all of the memories and issues each girl had were planted by Monika just to give them crippling flaws.

My guess is that Monika told Sayori that she was finally falling in love with someone who wasn’t really the MC. That broke her, because her goal as a coded character in this world was to fall in love with the MC, and now that wasn’t possible. This fact combined with Monika increasing the strength of her depression lead to her losing control and committing suicide. This was Monika’s first goal, since Sayori was the most likely character to fall in love with/steal us.

Also, wouldn’t have Monika had to have coded in the ability to commit suicide, because that would never be a possibility or option in an unaltered happy DDLC game. So she might have either directly took control of them, or wanted them to do it in a realistic way rather than just deleting them. Monika also made Natsuki forget her fight with Yuri, and made her pass out. So, can Monika directly take control of the characters? Or can she only alter code to make them do what she wants? If she can take control of the characters like this, then we can’t trust the true author of the poems. As the game progresses, they all seem to be more and more influenced by Monika. Even the warning poem by Natsuki could have been a strategic way for Monika to have us not trust her greatest competition at that point, Yuri.

I’m not sure if any of this is already accepted or debunked, but I feel like some mysteries can be figured out by thinking about the status of the MC, and the strength of Monika’s power over the other characters.
#477

kwhero449 has Doki Doki Literature Club 6 hours ago
Actually, I think I’m gonna change up this one a bit. Here’s a bit of a cleaned up version.

-I’m going through Sayori’s route here to gather stuff, so I won’t remember exactly how different the others are.
-Here I’m assuming that neither Monika or Sayori have total control over the script.
-I’m also assuming that Sayori does not know the truth at the beginning of the story.
-On the second day, Sayori’s poem “Dear Sunshine” shows a hint at her depression, so we’re assuming that it’s a natural character trait, but Monika sees this fault in her poem and decides to exploit it.
-But up until this point, Sayori is holding everything together very well, and at the beginning of the third day, MC notes that she seems in an especially good mood.
-Monika comes back from “practicing the piano” for the first time.
-If you’re on the Sayori route, MC speaks with her about the festival and Sayori says some lines I’m assuming is what she wrote for the festival. One that I’m guessing most people overlook.

s “Between my feet…”
s “The last remaining flower beckons to me.”
s “I twist the stem, freeing it from its clinging roots…”
s “Caressing the final joyous moment between my fingers.”
s “But to what ends have I summoned this joy?”
s “For now when I look in every direction…”
s “The once-prosperous field before me…”
s “Is but a barren wasteland!”

-Still on the third day while everyone is sharing poems, Sayori starts acting weird. She asks to keep MC’s poem and snaps her pencil in excitement when MC tells her he’ll give it to her when they go home. She clumsily bumps into him picking up the pieces before he picks it up for her and her “knees are shaking as she clutches the desk beside her to support herself”. A bit of an overreaction for something like that. This is the day she wrote “Bottles” It’s likely Monika has already amplified her depression.
-The fourth day starts with Monika coming back from practicing piano again. As everyone else is talking about the festival again, Sayori is sitting alone, looking down at nothing. MC talks to Monika about it and she goes over to talk with Sayori. This is the day Monika wrote “The Lady who Knows Everything”, so this is probably when she showed it to her, written to push her over the edge.
-Sayori now knows the truth of the world and goes home after showing her your poem. She says that “this would be so much easier if you had fun with everyone else instead, referring to her plan from before to trick Monika, etc. She doesn’t want you the player to be hurt when you think she’s gone.
-Anyway, I’m not sure what she does when she’s at home. Maybe she’s practicing some piano herself. She doesn’t want everything to end the way Monika does. She wants everyone to be happy, but can’t fight Monika herself. And the rest of her plan goes the way I said before.

It fits together well enough and answers a lot of mysteries. But this story is filled to the brim with unanswered questions.
#478

Dearlaice Gortaigh has Doki Doki Literature Club 1 hour ago
Originally posted by mystic_man95:
Has there been a lot of discussion about the “soul” of the MC? Monika didn’t talk to or focus on the MC in their class last year, and she was way out of his league, but then she really cared about him after we take control because she knew it wasn’t really the MC anymore. Then in the Just Monika part she makes a joke about the same class last year line, so was the MC ever in this world to begin with, or did the world start when we turned on the game, meaning all of the memories and issues each girl had were planted by Monika just to give them crippling flaws.

The MC sure is a mystery… even now. We actually don’t know if any of the memories are real or not. Did they really happen? Or they were put in their minds to make them believe they were living in a “real” world?

Anyway, I’m going to suppose that they actually happened somewhere and that the MC (not us) actually existed too because if not, then this would fall apart, right? Ahaha

What I think is that the MC was an empty shell. Like all the other “students” like the “teachers”, “Natsuki’s father” etc etc. They “exis”t, but they’re empty, void, they’re just props in the background. When you play the game, the first thing that it asks you is your name( very weird for a dating sim…)

This is probably a metaphor of the “possession” of the MC by us, thus making “a hole” in the game ( more precisely on him) . A hole that Monika was able to notice and that made the real game begin.

About the flaws in the other girls I think that , like Monika says multiple times (in order to ease her conscience of guilt) , “they were already mentally ill” and the good old classic ” all I did was untie the knot” They had already been programmed that way, probably their memories too. I doubt that Monika actually created memories for them or something… why would she? If she had such an ability she would have been able to make an “easier” plan, don’t you think?

Unless she really likes complicated plans…then this would be possible. Ahaha.

Originally posted by mystic_man95:
My guess is that Monika told Sayori that she was finally falling in love with someone who wasn’t really the MC. That broke her, because her goal as a coded character in this world was to fall in love with the MC, and now that wasn’t possible. This fact combined with Monika increasing the strength of her depression lead to her losing control and committing suicide. This was Monika’s first goal, since Sayori was the most likely character to fall in love with/steal us.

This is quite interesting. It’s possible actually. It would similar like telling her the truth about the world. I imagine Monika telling her something like:

Nothing is real, you know?. The MC is not him anymore and you are pointless now. What are you going to do? Will you still take care of him? Will you confess your love to “him”? For what? Do you want more empty responses like yourself? Why don’t you make us both a favor and think about it throughly, huh?

Eugh, so cold… Anyway, you get the point ,right? Additionally, let’s not forget that she has probably been augmenting her depressive facet in order to achieve even better results!

Originally posted by mystic_man95:
Also, wouldn’t have Monika had to have coded in the ability to commit suicide, because that would never be a possibility or option in an unaltered happy DDLC game. So she might have either directly took control of them, or wanted them to do it in a realistic way rather than just deleting them. Monika also made Natsuki forget her fight with Yuri, and made her pass out. So, can Monika directly take control of the characters? Or can she only alter code to make them do what she wants? If she can take control of the characters like this, then we can’t trust the true author of the poems. As the game progresses, they all seem to be more and more influenced by Monika. Even the warning poem by Natsuki could have been a strategic way for Monika to have us not trust her greatest competition at that point, Yuri.

A thing that has always troubled me (but is waaaaaaaay far-fetched) are the CGs. Why on earth would there be a CG of Sayori hanging? Or Yuri stabbed? I quite don’t get it… Their sole existence means that the outcome had already been planned and that everything is bound to happen someway or another. But let’s discuss this later, shall we?

I guess that Monika actually modified the game in order to allow such an event, thus the exception in the background. I think that the exception pointed to a MC’s line? Something about not believing his eyes? Maybe it was a line intened to another scene? Or a line made “on the fly” by Monika for him to say after seeing such a terrible scene so she wouldn’t get her cover blown?. Who knows, right? (I’d say the second option though…)

About controlling the characters we have already had in this post a looooong talk about it and there are too many approaches ! We can clearly see that the characters can be controlled directly (Natsuki) and others actually can somewhat resist (Yuri) so this makes it even harder to tell who is who. I’ve said many times in the past that Monika takes control even of her poems… so you can imagine what she’s actually capable of. But what’s the actual meaning of possessing, right? Taking control of them like a ghost or modifying their scripts? Hard to tell… but I think it’s easier to believe that she modifies their scripts. At first in advance, but when she gets better, she actually can modify them at real time ( mad python skills!) .

Regarding Natuski’s last poem, I still believe it’s just a naive way to ask for help. Even Monika maybe finds it endearing and let’s it get it to you…Or probably she wanted to test her skills and control Natsuki in real time? Who knows… Monika’s intentions really are deviant and twisted… I doubt it’s to make us distrust Yuri ( at that point, we can clearly see she’s “a freak”)

Originally posted by mystic_man95:
I’m not sure if any of this is already accepted or debunked, but I feel like some mysteries can be figured out by thinking about the status of the MC, and the strength of Monika’s power over the other characters.

Don’t worry! The more people ask the more likely we altogether might find a , let’s say, “satisfactory” answer. Ahaha so thank you

EDIT: kwhero449 I’ll answer you when I have the time… sorry
Thanks for the clean up version though 😛
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#479

xae-chan has Doki Doki Literature Club 12 minutes ago
kwhero449

That poem is “My Meadow” and yes, probably intended for the festival. AFAIK. there is no file of it. (There’s other no file poems, remember the presentation rehearsal? Monika “The Way They Fly”, Yuri “Afterimage of a Crimson Eye”, Natsuki “Jump”, mc his poem that day.)

And then there’s Sayori’s poem that was in the festival booklet. (filename?) “Get Out of My Head”
which that and Monika’s “you left her hanging” sent him running … the last part of which sounds just like Sayori.

mystic_man95

I never liked the mc from his first sentence. The soul of a sociopath maybe. Even Sayori admitted he was oblivious at times. I was making a good case of various things he said about and to her. And a thing that bothered me was the break in their relationship. I had it turned around at that time, was before DS asserted all the girls were 18. This means 1. none are the libitina and 2. explains why mc seldom needed to go to the third floor (which was mostly third years) and why Monika said she wanted to grow the LC before they graduated. And the unmotivated didn’t.

All your analysis of the girls is certainly food for thought. Sometimes we all need a new perspective, eh?
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