Zero

Monika FBddlcc03Here we go again.

I never get tired of  instant experts who can’t wait to spread their precious uninformation around.

Note the “two hour” bit, he is one of the instant gratification cohort. One of my topics in Act Three.

Clickthrougher for sure!

He says he doesn’t know me for the simple reason that ‘Hole in Wall 1 and 2’ escaped his notice. Just another gamer who does not know the definition of Visual Novel:

A novel with added visuals, probably interactive, it may add other bells and whistles, like  an OST, original soundtrack. Some platforms are like the man with a hammer … so just because it’s labeled ‘game’ it may have scant gameplay or none.


has Doki Doki Literature Club 20 Oct, 2017 @ 1:34pm
This game bothers me, for the wrong reasons.
Yeah, I’m gonna probably♥♥♥♥♥♥some people off. Spoilers or whatever. Though frankly, the game is pretty predictable anyways.
——————————————————-
——————————————————-
——————————————————-
——————————————————-
——————————————————-
——————————————————-
——————————————————-
——————————————————-
OK. I get it. I know what the game is trying to do. The girl who wanted to be with you breaks reality to do so. Here’s the thing: Monika is a psychotic c**t, and nothing she said or did made me feel the least bit of pity for her.

I understand that the idea is that the game won’t let you get to know her, and that gets her upset, but here’s the problem: If I don’t know anything about her, then there is no heel turn. She’s just a heel right off. She tortured the other girls and destroyed her own world, and there was never any indication of why she did so until the very end. I even decided to torment her a little bit by closing the game over and over, because she had tormented the actually INTERESTING characters. I legitimately did not understand that she was supposed to be sympathetic until someone told me, and that’s awful storytelling. And final “♥♥♥♥ it, nobody wins” was like the cherry on top of the sundae of reasons to dislike this character.

And it’s even worse in reverse. This fictional character is supposed to be obsessively in love with me, the player, in reality? WHY!? I installed this game two hours ago and barely talked to her, she doesn’t even know me!! I can’t suspend my disbelief to accept this 4th-wall break because it makes no sense, and further pushes her as a psychotic villain. What the game SHOULD have done is develop a psychological profile based on word choices in the poems, then had her actually respond as if she had gotten to understand who you are. At least then I could believe that she knew more about me than my name.

Side note: The “DON’T delete my character files at this file path, wink-wink,” was possibly the most hilariously hamfisted thing I have ever seen. Way to completely shatter any sense of seriousness, man.

And guys…this game is not scary or disturbing. It’s not even that unsetling. Stock anime characters committing suicide is pretty weak material. Static and glitches is the most overused cliche in these kinds of games. The only thing that legitimately bothered me was that Yuri’s twitching crazy eyes were driving pretty hard into the uncanny valley. Other than that, I actually thought the over-the-top drama of the suicides was more funny than disturbing or scary. Apt that this game warns against chilldren playing it, because anyone who has seen a few more adult animes isn’t going to be fazed by a little drawn gore.

Long story short: The game was interesting, but not even remotely close to the life-shattering experience everyone is saying it is. A psychotic ♥♥♥♥♥ trying to pull a discount Undertale turn isn’t going to elicit more than a “Well that happened.”
Last edited 20 Oct, 2017 @ 1:48pm

###
Showing 1-15 of 25 comments

Flustered has Doki Doki Literature Club 20 Oct, 2017 @ 1:37pm
Well, before anything, you should consider spoiler tags if you’re going to post about spoiler things.

Sorry it wasn’t your thing, though!
#1

Ranylyn has Doki Doki Literature Club 20 Oct, 2017 @ 1:56pm
I’m going to start by saying “It’s not for everyone.” There’s nothing wrong with not liking it.

That said, I do have a bit of context for your suspension of disbelief.

Because Monika is aware she’s in a game, the player is her only window to the real world. The only way to connect her with reality and give her any meaning other than just being a side character. I think it’s only natural to want to desperately cling to that. “Love” is the wrong word. It’s more like an obsession.

That said, she’s kind of a psychopathic ♥♥♥♥♥, and no one is denying that. While she didn’t personally tie the noose or twist the knife, there’s basically blood on her hands. The intention is that the player is supposed to WANT to take that clue to delete her – and the clue is there for the people who aren’t big on snooping around in the game files. (I know I, myself, never edit game files unless a game goes Meta like this.)

As for horror itself; horror is subjective. Some people find FNAF to be pants-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ly scary, while others just laugh at it. I can play all kinds of games with disturbing imagery no problem, but this stuck with me – even though I was laughing “Oh, clever,” as I was playing it.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. Sorry this wasn’t your thing.
#2

has Doki Doki Literature Club 20 Oct, 2017 @ 2:12pm
Originally posted by Ranylyn:
I’m going to start by saying “It’s not for everyone.” There’s nothing wrong with not liking it.

That said, I do have a bit of context for your suspension of disbelief.

Because Monika is aware she’s in a game, the player is her only window to the real world. The only way to connect her with reality and give her any meaning other than just being a side character. I think it’s only natural to want to desperately cling to that. “Love” is the wrong word. It’s more like an obsession.

That said, she’s kind of a psychopathic ♥♥♥♥♥, and no one is denying that. While she didn’t personally tie the noose or twist the knife, there’s basically blood on her hands. The intention is that the player is supposed to WANT to take that clue to delete her – and the clue is there for the people who aren’t big on snooping around in the game files. (I know I, myself, never edit game files unless a game goes Meta like this.)

As for horror itself; horror is subjective. Some people find FNAF to be pants-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ly scary, while others just laugh at it. I can play all kinds of games with disturbing imagery no problem, but this stuck with me – even though I was laughing “Oh, clever,” as I was playing it.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. Sorry this wasn’t your thing.
**
Funny thing is, it’s not even that I didn’t like it. It would probably have rated higher if not for the fact that it is beyond overhyped, and that I should have known better than to take a “disturbing” warning at all seriously in 2017.

Some of the stuff it does is clever, or at least I can see how it could have been a little better. Like why not, instead of Monika flat-out telling you to look in the file folder, something earlier in the game caused an error message to pop up saying that a file was missing or corrupted at the location, propting you to go look. Sayori being deleted would have been a good place for that, the game tells you about the traceback file but doesn’t give a complete path. Had it prompted you then, it would have left you thinking “Oh, the files are changing, and there are character files, and Sayori is gone. I’ll remember that now.”

It just bothers the hell out of me when I keep thinking of tiny ways that something that was “just OK” could have been way better.
#3

Ranylyn has Doki Doki Literature Club 20 Oct, 2017 @ 2:20pm
I get that, one hundred percent. I’m pretty critical on games, and what other people would give a 10/10, I often only give a 7 because I see what could have been better. It’s frustrating to want to be into something but there’s those details that just take you out of it, like suspension of disbelief.
#4

ŧЋэ эđġỶ ċŭήŧ has Doki Doki Literature Club 20 Oct, 2017 @ 2:31pm
Originally posted by
Monika is a psychotic♥♥♥♥♥♥
That’s my nika
#5

momorin has Doki Doki Literature Club 20 Oct, 2017 @ 2:48pm
It’s overhyped now? Well, I guess I’m glad I played Doki Doki Literature Club before it was cool. This will help me level up my hipster cred.
#6

Crowmanhunter has Doki Doki Literature Club 20 Oct, 2017 @ 2:50pm
Dunno where you’re getting the impression that this game is “beyond overhyped.” It’s being pretty well received by it’s very small niche community, and I think it deserves it for what it’s done, but hyped? I don’t exactly see IGN or Kotaku making an article about this game any time soon.

That being said, I agree. The game has faults. I personally enjoyed the strong points enough that I was able to forgive the weak points and enjoy the game as a whole for what it aimed to accomplish. But I can see why it wouldn’t be that way for you.
#7

Sleeping Angel has Doki Doki Literature Club 20 Oct, 2017 @ 3:03pm
Originally posted by Crowmanhunter:
Dunno where you’re getting the impression that this game is “beyond overhyped.” It’s being pretty well received by it’s very small niche community, and I think it deserves it for what it’s done, but hyped? I don’t exactly see IGN or Kotaku making an article about this game any time soon.

That being said, I agree. The game has faults. I personally enjoyed the strong points enough that I was able to forgive the weak points and enjoy the game as a whole for what it aimed to accomplish. But I can see why it wouldn’t be that way for you.

Actually, about that Kotaku article:

https://kotaku.com/doki-doki-literature-club-scared-me-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥-1819361548
#8

Crowmanhunter has Doki Doki Literature Club 20 Oct, 2017 @ 3:07pm
Originally posted by Sleeping Angel:
Originally posted by Crowmanhunter:
Dunno where you’re getting the impression that this game is “beyond overhyped.” It’s being pretty well received by it’s very small niche community, and I think it deserves it for what it’s done, but hyped? I don’t exactly see IGN or Kotaku making an article about this game any time soon.

That being said, I agree. The game has faults. I personally enjoyed the strong points enough that I was able to forgive the weak points and enjoy the game as a whole for what it aimed to accomplish. But I can see why it wouldn’t be that way for you.

Actually, about that Kotaku article:

https://kotaku.com/doki-doki-literature-club-scared-me-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥-1819361548
HO♥♥♥♥♥♥ Awesome! Too bad though. Doesn’t look like that article got a lot of traffic either way. But that’s cool that someone at Kotaku noticed at all. It’s something.
#9

Laeradr has Doki Doki Literature Club 20 Oct, 2017 @ 3:12pm
Originally posted by Sleeping Angel:
Originally posted by Crowmanhunter:
Dunno where you’re getting the impression that this game is “beyond overhyped.” It’s being pretty well received by it’s very small niche community, and I think it deserves it for what it’s done, but hyped? I don’t exactly see IGN or Kotaku making an article about this game any time soon.

That being said, I agree. The game has faults. I personally enjoyed the strong points enough that I was able to forgive the weak points and enjoy the game as a whole for what it aimed to accomplish. But I can see why it wouldn’t be that way for you.

Actually, about that Kotaku article:

https://kotaku.com/doki-doki-literature-club-scared-me-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥-1819361548
uiiiiiii, thanks for sharing :3
#10

has Doki Doki Literature Club 20 Oct, 2017 @ 4:30pm
Originally posted by Crowmanhunter:
Dunno where you’re getting the impression that this game is “beyond overhyped.” It’s being pretty well received by it’s very small niche community, and I think it deserves it for what it’s done, but hyped? I don’t exactly see IGN or Kotaku making an article about this game any time soon.

That being said, I agree. The game has faults. I personally enjoyed the strong points enough that I was able to forgive the weak points and enjoy the game as a whole for what it aimed to accomplish. But I can see why it wouldn’t be that way for you.
I mean…Have you looked at the Steam reviews? Or any other topic on this board? People are acting like this game wrecked their psyche, and all I can say is….♥♥♥♥in’ really?
#11

Bubsy>
#17

The Jawbone has Doki Doki Literature Club 21 Oct, 2017 @ 5:27am
It’s pretty fair to say those who haven’t had personal experience with the themes in this game, will probably miss the point. I’m figuring OP has never struggled with mental illness in their life, if the game fell flat on them. Psychological horror only works with the right perspective.
Last edited by The Jawbone; 21 Oct, 2017 @ 5:28am
#18

👻👻👻 has Doki Doki Literature Club 21 Oct, 2017 @ 6:59am
I liked it overall but I can understand why others may not.
#19

sad man has Doki Doki Literature Club 21 Oct, 2017 @ 10:42am
yup, totally agree. I mean this game did make me think about it, a lot. The game could have been way better if some more time was used on the writing and really developing the characters, kinda show throughout Monika getting bothered about not getting time with your and explaining some other stuff like Sayori’s depression, Natsuki’s abuse and Yuri’s insanity. Instead the game just kinda slaps it in the face and is like “ohhh they’re dead now”
#20

ストライダー VM 21 Oct, 2017 @ 12:53pm
I think the lesson to be learned here is overhype will almost always lead to unhappiness. =(

Seriously though, did you like Undertale?
#21

Shion has Doki Doki Literature Club 21 Oct, 2017 @ 6:01pm
DDLC relies heavilyon shock value, which is why being spoiled on its content degrades the experience so much. In comparison, despite being spoiled about another VN DDLC is often compared to, Wonderful Everyday/Subahibi, I had a great time reading that VN because it was strong enough to stand up on its own.
#22

Corpzmaker has Doki Doki Literature Club 22 Oct, 2017 @ 5:56am
She knew my real name, she is God, she is all-powerfull. She is my über-♥♥♥♥♥ forever.
#23

PolishSnake has Doki Doki Literature Club 22 Oct, 2017 @ 8:10am
(Somebody might’ve already said it) There isn’t blood on Monika’s hands, if you’d have paid attention, then you’d notice that she said that when she deleted their character files she exaggerated; she couldn’t get herself to do it, how do you think she restored the game (to 3/4 of how it was)? She mentioned it before that she’s terrible at making changes to the game, and restoring character files would be nearly impossible if she had problem with minor changes.
#24

[it appears the necro poster’s commented was deleted too … ]

Mithost Officer 30 Mar @ 12:38am
Please do not ‘necro’ old threads. If you wish to continue the topic, start a new thread 🙂
#25

Showing 16-25 of 25 comments

This topic has been locked by a moderator, no replies can be made.


One noticeable thing about some of these gamers is their penchant for ‘robust language’. My grandmother had a shorter term. Whatevs.

“I legitimately did not understand … ” without a clue? Maybe you clicked through a whole bunch. Or maybe the “awful storytelling” needed a swag of ‘robust language’.

“I installed this game two hours ago … ” We noticed and it shows,

“The “DON’T delete my character files at this file path, wink-wink,” was possibly the most hilariously hamfisted thing I have ever seen.”You could have replaced the mc and the .CHR file would have diminished by 50 IQ points.

I guess you never actually read any single other topic. One trend you missed was scores of players asking plaintively, “How do I get rid of Monika?”

“And guys…this game is not scary or disturbing.”

Ahahaha.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/2549465882928755579/?tscn=1524306584

i regret it, not because it was a bad game, because its not, but BECAUSE IT SCARED THE ♥♥♥♥ OUTTA ME WHEN …
*
https://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/3288067088109005096/

(I think maybe the reason Monika is off the menu is so you get attached to the other characters, and then once they’re gone, the game scares you into loving Monika)
*
https://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1697167355218575791/

oh my god i am playing this like 2 hours now and i am so terrified i dont know what to do i got so distracted by that sayori death and i noticed her char file is deleter? what ?i turned it off for now
*
random comments elsewhere
This is not Outlast. The terms of “scare” and “fear” that you usually know does not apply to this game. It is something unique… it will not make you run to your momma for sure, but it will mess with your mind. Afterall, “disturbing” warning in this game is real. Mentally disturbing.
*
I just made Sayori … and I am just so terrified that I can’t play anymore. I started from the beginning and literally 2 flashy things made me almost♥♥♥♥♥♥myself, and then the (secret poem) was just too damn much…
*
How much i need to drink to forget?
I cant delete this from memory T_T
*

I am home alone and too scared to play.
Help.
*
I Don’t Know if i should keep playing
I have just completed the first part and it should not have freaked me out this much, but i’m in tears since earlier. Plus there are weird image bugs that weird me out too, i dunno if that’s normal…
*
https://steamcommunity.com/app/698780/discussions/0/1620599015906919094/
to put it bluntly, it hit me really, really hard. like more than anything that has ever made me feel anything … all i can say is that i felt really weird after it happened, like nothing ive ever felt before. i know this sounds really dumb but trust me, it hurt … this game has brought out emotions in me ive never felt in my life, that of extreme sadness and anxiety

> Sayori’s depression talk really wore down on me. I’ve been struggling with depression for years. I wanted to walk away and have a good cry. And then she committed suicide and I wanted to have a panic attack. I suppressed it and kept going, finishing the game in the next few hours. I went to bed that night and that’s right about the time I couldn’t suppress it anymore. I woke up sobbing. I couldn’t sleep.

>Today I played the DDLC OST for the first time in two months and certain tracks (most notably My Feelings, Sayo-nara and I Still Love You) instantly made me tear up. I’m not ashamed of this nor do I blame Team Salvato. Rather, I thank them for this experience and the fact that it still affects me this deeply.

> Well I dont have much to say that has not already been said but one thing that I whant to get out there is that this game and Sayori helped me understand in a better way my depression and I hope it has helped another person in here. ps:This is such a wonderfull comunity I can hardly belive it

> I was hit just like that for Sayori death, I cried for so many hours, i kept geting that wierd chill down my spine all the time i reminded the scene and my eyes could not hold. I also dont know what is this, to see such tenderness giving away for depression really hit me.

> I’m not one for really having my emotions influenced much by games, but this one really hit hard. I have to admit I was in tears with the whole situation around Yuri and Sayori. It hit closer to home than I expected and it made me think about my past, too.

> Same with me. I’m not a particularly emotional person, but this hit me hard. And bought out emotions in me I’ve never really experienced before. I felt really bad inside for days.

> Even in the second half I kinda understood where she was coming from. I know what its like to be obsessed with someone, and them not really knowing you even exist. So I guess when she killed herself, it really hurt me deaply. As I knew exactly what she was feeling. Sh!t hurt man. Cut me real deap.

> I really can’t put into words how much of an idiot I feel for feeling this way about this game, about a fictional character. And the fact that I’m so unlikely to find a girl like Yuri IRL, a girl who I feel is exactly like me in every way, a girl who i fully understand, and a girl who fully understands me, a girl who can be there for me when I feel down, and a girl who i can be there for when they feel the same, depresses me like you wouldn’t believe. I’m so alone…

> Though Sayori’s death shook me to the bone, I expected it… And I felt sad, evidently.
But the one that hit me like a canonball, it was Yuri’s…
I know she’s a video game character… but I felt attached to her because of her fetiches (traits I do not dislike), and a love for knives, which I also have.

> Every time I listen to that music, the pictures start popping up in my mind. I can’t forgive myself for the death of a videogame character…

*
that song, Saya-nara … triggered in my head whenever my proffessor showed us horrifying images during our history like say lynchings.
*
I mean, yeah, loved the game, probably too much for my own good I can say ;-;

I couldn’t sleep for two months, yeah, but, good game, haha. (I didn’t even need psychological assistance either)
*

I have hundreds of these, hundreds. And this fool was blind not only to the game but so many discussion topics.

***

Irony

Scapegoating